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General Discussion / Re: Leone's League
« on: January 23, 2005, 04:17:26 AM »
Yea Boorman is good, there aren't many DVD releases of his films out here either or at least I haven't seen any
unfortunately his best isn't POINT BLANK
but DELIVERANCE, EXCALIBUR, ZARDOZ(wierd) HELL IN THE PACIFIC(his second best film IMO)   EMERALD FOREST and others are out there on dvd

General Discussion / Morricone soundtracks
« on: January 22, 2005, 09:31:08 AM »
Almost 40 yrs ago, I saw my first Leone film on the big screen(I had no idea he was involved in COLUSSUS OF RHODES or  SODOM & GOMORRAH at that time)

I've come to realize how many of you fans  of the DOLLARS trilogy don't have the "full"scores.

I have limited means, and I dub them  the "old fashioned way", but if any of you NEED the bootlegs, contact me before the "what the hell was I thinking about posting this" meds kick in :)

Once Upon A Time In The West / Re: missing on soundtrack?
« on: January 22, 2005, 09:24:19 AM »
OK, Sentenza (or anyone knowledgeable), for us semi-computer literate: how (stepwise) do you post pictures like the soundtrack photos on this board?  Assume that I already know how to make jpg files.  Thanks.  Yes, I agree that the two Euoropean releases a few years ago of these two soundtracks are the best yet, got them both a few years ago.
As I understand it(remember, I'm in my fifties and this stuff is Greek filtered thru Latin to me)it depends on the board. Some boards allow you to send directly from your computer's files, and they accept and host these pictures. Other boards require you to be the "host" of theses pix(basically a link to your computer or website).

Once Upon A Time In The West / Re: Same hat
« on: January 21, 2005, 03:40:23 AM »
oh yeah.........
in every copy of the films I've got, Eastwood's is Greyish, while Robard's is brown.

Once Upon A Time In The West / Re:missing on soundtrack?
« on: January 21, 2005, 03:37:37 AM »
Just got the Italian CD of GBU yesterday, the one that has the 7.14 minute version of Trio. I cannot believe the new U.S. expanded release still has the shorter version. Anyway, the full version of the soundtrack is the only one to have and I wouldn't have even known to get the Italian CD without the info supplied by this board. Thanks, guys.
the 7:14 minute version is NOT the music as heard in the film. It's a compilation of the film version and the stereo version recorded for the lp back in '66. I don't know which is on the newer cd release as I didn't pick it up.

Once Upon A Time In The West / Re: Same hat
« on: January 21, 2005, 03:33:05 AM »
I'd say no chance.
Here Charles Bronson wore a hat identical in appearance to the one he wore in Magnificent 7, complete with nick in the brim. 
Whether Leone asked for it to be styled that way(possible) or Bronson liked that style(possible) doesn't matter. Costume designers can do marvellous things.

A Fistful of Dollars / Re: pastures of plenty
« on: January 20, 2005, 01:34:35 PM »
watch the film again. pay close attention to the riding sequence where the Baxter and Rojo gangs are racing to the cemetery to get thewounded(dead)soldiers.
"with the wind" still appears in the music here.

I've read that EM didn't care what the chants were when he recorded the score, that it was unimportant, and it was left up to Alessandro Alessandroni to direct the vocalists.

The Good, The Bad and The Ugly / Re: Shovel throw!
« on: January 18, 2005, 05:15:08 PM »
Little of topic. What about that poor guy in OUATITW.  :o
Scene: Ambush of Frank by his own men. The 4th gang member on the top of the Watchmakers. Harmonica from the Hotel balcony gives Frank a clue to his whereabouts by "time sure does fly"
Bang! Cue Stuntguy: drops his winchester pretanding to be shot... Falls of not too high single storey wooden shop front. Thing is he smashes through a tiled wooden awning (which looks like the slant should of took his weight putting him into a roll for a better shorter fall)
Goes through new man-made hole in the awning head first, and land on some floorboards which don't seem to have much give. and all ofcourse on his bonce, with his body following in a curled up spring with added perminent vertibray wrecking action. Theres some nice soft 'safe landing' sand bags about a couple of feet away from where he lands. Makes my eyes water everytime.   :'( Youch

Always wondered if that one was Landis  ;D

word is/was that it was Fabio Testi taking that fall.

If it was him, I don't think he could have messed up his spine too much. he was an item with Ursula Andress in the 70's.


Trivia Games / Re: how the duke got his walk
« on: January 18, 2005, 05:08:15 PM »
pants too tight...heard story about a pair of pants with 32 waist or hips....

at's funny, I heard a story about  his boots being two sizes TOO small :)

A Fistful of Dollars / Re: pastures of plenty
« on: January 15, 2005, 07:09:28 AM »
once more unto the breech :).

Titoli, the main whistling theme from FISTFUL(NOT the trumpet theme) was taken from Ennio Morricone's  1962(?) arrangement of Peter Tevis's  VERSION of Woody Guthrie's PASTURES OF PLENTY.

the Guthrie VERSION does  NOT sound like Titoli.
The Morricone ARRANGEMENT, complete with responsive chants of "with the wind, with the wind..." was also done as an instrumental.

This is what Leone requested Morricone use as the main music for FISTFUL.

The trumpet theme AKA "Theme from A Fistful Of Dollars" is a derivative of the "Rio Bravo/ Alamo" type of Mexican trumpet themes, of which Morricone also did a cover version in the early sixties.

A Fistful of Dollars / Re: Fistful Vocals-mystery solved
« on: January 15, 2005, 06:59:38 AM »
No, the vocals are not "we can fight", they are "with the wind", absolutely.  I just got hold of the film music with two tracks with the vocals included; the chants begin just after the words "with the wind" are sung, and they are clearly "with the wind" as well.  The lyrics by Woody Guthrie posted above by "Visitor" are about 99% correct, the vocalist makes a few minor changes.  Also, the lyrics to "Per un pugno di dollari" posted by "Visitor" in the subsequent post are also correct.  So, it's "with the wind", see the Woody Guthrie lyrics above.  Of course, the Grand Coulee Dam wasn't built at the time of FOD, and Arizona didn't become a state until 1912....

Morricone recorded that song a couple of years before FISTFUL, along with the alternate instrumental with Alessandroni whistling.
Leone liked it so much he told Morricone to use it for the main theme .

Off-Topic Discussion / Re: On what do you watch your stuff?
« on: January 13, 2005, 12:41:37 PM »
36" Toshiba television
300 disc dvd player plus  all region PAL/ntsc dvd player
laserdisc player
6 head vcr
dolby digital sound system/monster subwoofer!!!!!

Ennio Morricone / Re: Morricone Recycling
« on: January 12, 2005, 01:35:52 PM »
he reused the theme from FISTFUL/DOLLARS where they burn down the town over the opening of DEATH RIDES  A HORSE

(actually, NOBODY''s WILD BUNCH theme is a parody of GBU theme)

FISTFUL''S title track was recycled at Leone''s request from a vocal Morricone arr and conducted a couple years earlier.

Title track of OKCONNERY(akaOPERATION KID BROTHER) was from some earlier arrangement I have on 10 cd set of his early stuff.

But yeah, they all do it. Jerry Goldsmith used some of PLANET OF APES in OMEN, Bruno Nicolai reused one them from LANDRAIDERS title track in two or three different scores

I have about 600 scores on lp/cd/cdr

Off-Topic Discussion / Re: Kudos to Kurosawa
« on: January 10, 2005, 06:16:16 PM »
I recently saw two films that payed homage to Yohimbo. one was David Lynch''''s "Wild At Heart" where near the end at the botched holdup one of the tellers hands get blown off and we see a dog run from the building with it in his mouth.

The other was similar but I can''''t remember it at the moment. You guys think of any others?

I think the oddest YOJIMBO remake was the sci-fi film with David Carradine (I think it was called WARRIOR AND SORCERESS or something to that effect)

other films that were inspired by Kurosawa??
and I always thought Michael Mann studied Kurosawa before he filmed THE LAST OF THE MOHICANS

Ennio Morricone / Re: Anybody ever hear of this?
« on: January 10, 2005, 01:18:33 PM »
Anybody ever come across this? An album of MORRICONE''S music given a treatment by somebody called ZORN. Never heard of the album fact, never heard of Zorn!!!!! Anybody know of it/him? Worth buying?
The Big Gundown

1. The Big Gundown 7:17
2. Peur Sur La Ville 4:08
3. Poverty (Once Upon A Time in America) 3:42
4. Milan Odea 2:57
5. Erotico (The Burglars) 4:17
6. Battle of Algiers 3:43
7. Gui La Testa (Duck, You Sucker!) 5:59
8. Metamorfosi (La Classe Operaia Va In Paradiso) 4:25
9. Tre Nel 5000 4:32
10. Once Upon A Time In The West 8:27


"This was the album that made Zorn a household name (well, at least among really hip households). Although nine of the ten songs on the album were covers, they all bore the unmistakable touch of a single arranger with a very bold style. They not only cut to the heart of the Morricone songs, they also revealed an original musical mind arranging the pieces. Both Zorn and Morricone are well represented here. This is definitely Zorn''s work, from the three electric guitar attack of Fred Frith, Jody Harris and Arto Lindsay on "Milano Odea" to the mural like quality of "The Big Gundown" which is the most visual peace of music I have ever heard.
This album is also an excellent representation of Zorn''s 80''s studio recordings. These "vertically layered" albums rely heavily on mixing and overdubbing to achieve their caucaphonous, multi-layered sound. They spark the imagination with the various sounds and styles inducing powerful visual images in the listener''s imagination."  

so so - most of the melodies are lost in the avant garde jazz stylings.

on the plus +++++++++++ side, this lp was named one of TIME mags best of year when it was released which led Time Warner to put BIG GUNDOWN into rotation on their pay channel Cinemax.

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