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« #75 : November 30, 2011, 04:37:37 AM »

Adieu, poulet (1976) A good police thriller loosely based on a novel I reviewed in Groggy's thread. Not as good as his source but very good thanx to Ventura's perfomance. 7\10


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« #76 : November 30, 2011, 05:19:12 AM »

(The performance I'm referring to is Newman's not Sloane's).

I don't remember it well enough to comment on it.


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« #77 : December 01, 2011, 01:25:47 PM »

Decision Before Dawn (1951) This is one of the few wa.r movies that gave me the impression I was watching a documentary. The travel of Oskar Werner really materializes what it was like at the time during the winter of 1944. The only reproach towards the movie is that germans are made to talk in english, which downgrades the rating to 8\10. Awed, anyway.


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« #78 : December 01, 2011, 05:12:21 PM »

Decision Before Dawn (1951) This is one of the few wa.r movies that gave me the impression I was watching a documentary. The travel of Oskar Werner really materializes what it was like at the time during the winter of 1944. The only reproach towards the movie is that germans are made to talk in english, which downgrades the rating to 8\10. Awed, anyway.

That's a good one. O0



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« #79 : December 05, 2011, 09:53:46 AM »

Le cave se rebiffe (1961) I saw this dubbed, so I can't be fair towards it, I presume. As this has Audiard's dialogues it should be seen in french, but I couldn't find subtitles anywhere. It hasn't got the brilliance of Tontons, and much of the plot (very different from  the novel on which the movie is based) is quite uneventful). 6\10


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« #80 : December 05, 2011, 09:59:03 AM »

btw did you notice Kinski's bit in Decision Before Dawn? I was surprised to see him in something so early.



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« #81 : December 06, 2011, 01:25:59 AM »

btw did you notice Kinski's bit in Decision Before Dawn? I was surprised to see him in something so early.

No, I wasn't surprised, I knew he was in movies at that time.


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« #82 : December 07, 2011, 04:09:09 PM »

Moulin Rouge (2001) It manages to be even worse than Across the Universe (of course, it has not the Beatles and Joe Cocker) and it has to carry Nicole Kidman in a sexy and singing role. I was about to turn off after 10 minutes and the first measures of  Diamonds Are a Girl's Best Friend, but having payed 2 euros for the special edition I forced me to arrive at minute 60. Then I ff to the end. 1\10


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« #83 : December 08, 2011, 12:38:12 AM »

So I guess you and I haven't seen any of the same movies over the past decade  :P

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« #84 : December 12, 2011, 02:20:54 AM »

The Public Enemy (1931) This has been one of my favourite movies ever since I watched it as preteen. Some of the scenes have stuck in my mind, especially the incredible (pre-code, I assume) final one, but also the killing of the horse or the grapefruit. In spite of the preachy scenes with the Cagney's brother this earns a 9\10.


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« #85 : December 12, 2011, 06:15:20 AM »

The Public Enemy (1931) This has been one of my favourite movies ever since I watched it as preteen. Some of the scenes have stuck in my mind, especially the incredible (pre-code, I assume) final one, but also the killing of the horse or the grapefruit. In spite of the preachy scenes with the Cagney's brother this earns a 9\10.

hey, so you and I have indeed seen some of the same movies!  ;)

I really liked this one; IMO it is better than Little Caesar (1931) Scarface (1932), Dillinger (1945)

btw, Frayling has discussed (eg. in STDWD's chapter on OUATIA) how Leone believed that much of  the stuff in  The Hoods , other than the childhood stuff, was lifted from gangster films.

Well, there is an incident in The Hoods, from the bottom of p. 247 - p. 251, where  "Noodles" goes back to his mother's apartment to visit her, (and he brings her money as well), but he gets into an argument with his brother, cuz his brother was giving him crap about his being a gangster, etc.

 If Leone is correct that much of The Hoods was lifted from gangster films, I wonder if that part was lifted from similar parts of The Public Enemy.

(by the way, I a while ago I started a thread to list all the stuff we can find in The Hoods that is lifted from gangster films http://www.fistful-of-leone.com/forums/index.php?topic=10253.0 If you can think of anything, please chime in!  )


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So while reading p. 247 of The Hoods, I just noticed this passage:

" We stood outside undecided how to kill the hour.

There was a small movie house next door, showing two thrilling cowboy pictures, "Destry Rides Again," and "A Bloody Trail."
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I never heard of ABT (and couldn't find it on imdb either), but DRA is a western from 1939 http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0031225/ (I haven't seen the movie, but) i have seen it discussed here.

I find this interesting because -- while I haven't read the book in a while,if I recall correctly, that is one of the only things that date the book, other than the fact that it begins in 1916:

There is no specific mention of dates in the book, but on page 10 (in the opening scene in the boys' classroom), they discuss their "election fire" they have in the neighborhood, "... We don't care who's elected, Wilson or Hughes, we have a big fire just the same..."

We know that's 1916, cuz the 1916 Presidential election featured Woodrow Wilson vs. Charles Evans Hughes. So other than the book beginning in 1916, I don't recall there being any way to tell dates; but Destry Rides Again dates it as happening in (or at least not before) 1939. Furthermore, that's just a bit more than halfway through the book, so if the chapters are written in chronological order, perhaps it ends much later than that (assuming  the stuff about Destry Rides Again is even true, rather than part of Grey's imagination). Remember also, the book does not have the part about Old Noodles coming back; that's all added for the movie. The book only has the equivalent of the movie's first 2 sections, and ends with the part that is  the movie equivalent of gangster Noodles leaving New York  -- which in the movie is 1933. But based on this Destry Rides Again reference, the book would actually end much later than 1939 (again, if that stuff was even true in the first place  ;D)


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« #86 : December 12, 2011, 09:06:13 AM »

The Public Enemy (1931) (pre-code, I assume)
Indeed. From wikipedia:
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An amendment to the Code, adopted on June 13, 1934, established the Production Code Administration (PCA) and required all films released on or after July 1, 1934, to obtain a certificate of approval before being released.



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« #87 : December 12, 2011, 09:10:59 AM »

But based on this Destry Rides Again reference, the book would actually end much later than 1939 (again, if that stuff was even true in the first place  ;D)
Or if Grey's memory were reliable.



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« #88 : December 12, 2011, 12:32:49 PM »

Or if Grey's memory were reliable.

yeah, I find the chapter on OUATIA in STDWD particularly amazing; perhaps cuz that is the one movie that was made after Frayling already knew Leone, and Frayling may have been there for the production/planning (just a guess); and/or cuz more of those involved in the film were alive and well with fresh memories when STDWD was written (or perhaps this is all in my mind, cuz OUATIA may be my fave movie of all-time). Anyway, one of the awesome things Frayling explains in that chapter is how the storyline, particularly the 1960's part, and the dreamy-fantasy stuff grew out of Leone's meetings with Grey, a man who could be said to be living in a sort of fantasy world himself. So Leone based the movie character on his interpretation of Grey's life.

Therefore, IMO we can say that the Noodles character in the movie is based more on the real Harry Grey (rather than on the Noodles character of the book).


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« #89 : December 12, 2011, 12:36:46 PM »

La grande illusion (1937) First time I saw this on tv didn't like it at all. Now, on a big screen and in the original mish-mash of languages (and probably uncut) I liked it better, but still can't see no masterpiece. The idyll final part is boring and didascalic. Fresnay is excellent, Stroheim's english accent french is risible. 7\10


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