Fistful underrated among Leone's movies?

[wind demon]

Is it me or is virtually every possible western the "death of the west" ? lol. What about the BIRTH of the west!

[noodles_leone]

"How the west was won" is about its birth

STANTON: Just rewatch the ending, the opposition between the romantic man riding toward the sunset and the materialistic guy puting bodies in his car.

[drinkanddestroy]

FAFDM is not about the death of the old west or any themes like that. Just about chasing the good ol' greenback.

DJ - I always assumed that the scene where we first see Blondie and Tuco in Betterville is right when they arrive there. I can't say I remember everything offhand that was written in CJ's timeline thread, but I'm almost certain that scene is right when they arrive at Betterville. Would it really take 8 months from the time they were captured till the time they arrive at Betterville? Unlikely

[noodles_leone]

D&D, rewatch the ending. This movie is better than you think.

[stanton]

FAFDM is not about the death of the old west or any themes like that. Just about chasing the good ol' greenback.

Noodles what have you done? I have to agree with Drink ...

Spagies are not about the dying of the west, Spagies are set in an already dead west. In the evolution of the genre the SWs should have been made after the the demythologization of the genre, after the US western has disappeared. But at least the first Twilight Westerns (Ride the High Country, The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance) were made before FoD, even if the bulk of Twilight Westerns were produced after 1968, the culmination point of the SW.

[noodles_leone]

Stanton: it's part of my plan to get you together for once.

FFDM is not about the death of the west it's about the death of the old west. Classic AW are dead, long live the SW. A new kind of west, that is still the wild west.
I agree, the theme only appears in the last part of the movie, but still, if the following parallel montage isn't explicit about it, then what is:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBdBCTvK5zM

True, but if you consider that more generally Leone uses time-displacement strategies (of which flashbacks can be considered a sub-set), then all is of a piece. A case in point: in GBU the Union officer arrives and begins beating his uniform repeatedly with his glove, scattering dust and revealing the blue color beneath; cut to: the feet of prisoners entering Betterville, marching to the cadence set by the Union officer's glove--8 months later. Leone uses a match cut to jump through time--one of his signature moves.

Fair enough. However, only in FFDM, OUATITW and DYS the flashbacks progressively lead to a key dramatic revelation that the audience only learns during the climax of the movie.

[drinkanddestroy]

n_l: the movie is better than I think? Wtf is that supposed to mean? i LOVE FAFDM. YOU are the one who only rated it a 7/10. The fact that I don't think it's about the end of the west, and is just about getting a few dollars more, is NOT a bad thing. Just a fact. Unlike you, I don't need a movie to be about some deep big theme in order for it to be great. A plain good ol' movie about bounty hunters and revenge can be great. Even if it wasn't about revenge it could be great. (Anyway, with Leone, the greatness is generally mostly about style. But that's another story.)
FAFDM is not about any "end of the west" themes. The story just involves 2 bounty hunters goin after the same outlaw: one for revenge, one for profit. And it's still one of the 5 greatest movies ever made.
For the last time, my friend, get that cock outta your ass.

[noodles_leone]

n_l: the movie is better than I think? Wtf is that supposed to mean? i LOVE FAFDM. YOU are the one who only rated it a 7/10. The fact that I don't think it's about the end of the west, and is just about getting a few dollars more, is NOT a bad thing. Just a fact. Unlike you, I don't need a movie to be about some deep big theme in order for it to be great. A plain good ol' movie about bounty hunters and revenge can be great. Even if it wasn't about revenge it could be great. (Anyway, with Leone, the greatness is generally mostly about style. But that's another story.)
FAFDM is not about any "end of the west" themes. The story just involves 2 bounty hunters goin after the same outlaw: one for revenge, one for profit. And it's still one of the 5 greatest movies ever made.
For the last time, my friend, get that cock outta your ass.

1 seven words joke => 7 lines of D&D

However, f*cking click on that link and then try to tell me you're NOT witnessing the old west dying so that I can be SURE you only speak japanese:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBdBCTvK5zM

[drinkanddestroy]

I am on my phone now (cell phone, not smartphone - i am in the Stone Age - so I can't click on any links till i get to computer)

[drinkanddestroy]

if I had a buck for every time someone said sumthin like, "I can't believe I am gonna have to agree with D&D on this.....," I'd have quite a large fistful of dollars by now. Nothing amuses me more (sorry stanton, I know you hate to hear that :p )

[noodles_leone]

I am on my phone now (cell phone, not smartphone - i am in the Stone Age - so I can't click on any links till i get to computer)

Well if you're still on a cell phone you may not know yet that the old west did actually die a few years ago.

[stanton]

if I had a buck for every time someone said sumthin like, "I can't believe I am gonna have to agree with D&D on this.....," I'd have quite a large fistful of dollars by now. Nothing amuses me more (sorry stanton, I know you hate to hear that :p )

We are all here only for amusement purposes ...

Apart from that it was only the rule proving exception of the game.

[wind demon]

I too love the dollars for them being just simple stories, apart from the whole dying of the west/political/childhood motifs of his next trilogy.

[noodles_leone]

You can enjoy any movie on earth without having to read between lines. But man, even the Jurassic Park sequels have double meaning and hidden (heavy) symbolism.

[drinkanddestroy]

n_l, you have been avoiding the most important issue: What hidden theme/symbolism is in THE PATRIOT?