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« #45 : May 05, 2009, 01:05:38 PM »

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« #46 : May 05, 2009, 01:15:52 PM »

When you're putting images on the board, put them under links. I know it's not pretty like this, but at least the browsers won't loiter every time one has to open the topic.

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« #47 : May 05, 2009, 01:17:32 PM »

Hey DJ can you comment on this pervious post of mine, thanks.
I was planning on it, even before you asked, but I wanted to post the screen caps first.

It seems the cut of the film is the same as the one you've seen. Forest Tucker's first appearance is as you describe it, and the "lust in the dust" w/ Marionette Hartley is missing the still you referenced and certainly seems trimmed. However, I can answer to this:

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Another cut is right before the barge battle, you see Remy's gang building their rafts and it immediately cuts to the two Remy rafts oaring their way across the river towards the barqueros barge.

Then you cut again to the opposite side of the river and all the squatters are hunkered down in the ferry already and waiting. So there must have been a sequence where Travis figuers out what Remys has planned and gets all the squatters into the ferry.

I don't know if this is something extra, or if you just missed it, but the night before the barge battle LVC goes down to the dock and takes a look out at the ferry landing across the way. Sounds begin to register, and he pricks up his ears. On the soundtrack we hear hammering and sawing and the like. The reaction shot of LVC at that point tells us that he is starting to figure out what's up. The cut to the next day then works perfectly well: we see the river crossing from the POV of the baddies, and as they draw closer we suddenly reverse angle and see the squatters hunkered down on the raft. In an instant we realized LVC has anticipated the attack and organized everyone to counter it.



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« #48 : May 05, 2009, 01:24:31 PM »

When you're putting images on the board, put them under links. I know it's not pretty like this, but at least the browsers won't loiter every time one has to open the topic.
My browser doesn't have this problem. Are you running Firefox?



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« #49 : May 05, 2009, 01:25:26 PM »

My browser doesn't have this problem. Are you running Firefox?

Yes.

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« #50 : May 05, 2009, 02:16:53 PM »

Then it must be your connection.



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« #51 : May 05, 2009, 02:41:30 PM »

Aren't you from Seattle? I thought you were gonna try to persuade me to use IE! :D

No, I actually have a fast connection, it must be something else.

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« #52 : May 05, 2009, 05:18:08 PM »

Aren't you from Seattle?
Originally. My computer guru is also from Seattle, and he put me on to Firefox.



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« #53 : May 06, 2009, 09:20:31 AM »

Originally. My computer guru is also from Seattle, and he put me on to Firefox.

I thought people from Seattle go for IE, being a Microsoft product an all. I also prefer FF.

This probably happens because the cookies get deleted on my browser and it has to load them again each time I open the topic.

But, you're not supposed to put direct links to pictures hosted on ImageShack on forums/message boards anyway. If you watch what the page tells you look after you upload them, you'll see that it gives you different links for forums. If you use direct ones IS deletes them after a while because that way too much bandwidth (internet/data traffic) gets wasted. (Not that I figured that out myself, someone told me.)

This was probably as off-topic as it can be, Barquero and LVC didn't deserve it.

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« #54 : May 06, 2009, 12:51:06 PM »

Photobucket is the way to go.


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« #55 : May 06, 2009, 02:09:22 PM »

Yep. You open an account and upload your pics. All in one place, nothing gets deleted, free.

I was about to say GeoCities but I found out just now they will be closing it for good later this year. You learn something new each day.

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« #56 : May 07, 2009, 05:36:07 AM »

DVDTimes reviews the new disc: http://www.dvdtimes.co.uk/content/id/70623/barquero.html



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« #57 : May 07, 2009, 02:35:10 PM »

DVDTimes reviews the new disc: http://www.dvdtimes.co.uk/content/id/70623/barquero.html


we aren’t initially sure which side of the river Van Cleef is on

I call BS on this. How could some one not know this? The reviewer must not have been paying attention.

– and there’s a howler of a plot hole towards the end which would fox many better directors – if it’s so easy to swim across the river, why don’t the bad guys do it?

I'll admit, that never even crossed my mind.
I may be weakly defending the movie by saying... it could be possible half of Oates' gang couldn't swim?
Or Oates himself for that matter?
Of course, that is never established (would have been interesting if they incorporated that into his flashback) so the plot hole the reviewer cites is totally valid.




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« #58 : May 07, 2009, 03:32:31 PM »


we aren’t initially sure which side of the river Van Cleef is on

I call BS on this. How could some one not know this? The reviewer must not have been paying attention.
I think what he means is, it isn't made clear which direction Remy and his men are coming from. See, they screw this up by having the 3 guys who have gone ahead ferry across and tie up LVC on the other side from where everyone lives, which makes no sense, because they need the raft back where they started out. Why move the raft? Just take out LVC and leave the raft where it is. By insisting that LVC take them across, the film seems to suggest that the rest of the gang will be coming from the other side (which they aren't).
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– and there’s a howler of a plot hole towards the end which would fox many better directors – if it’s so easy to swim across the river, why don’t the bad guys do it?

I'll admit, that never even crossed my mind.
I may be weakly defending the movie by saying... it could be possible half of Oates' gang couldn't swim?
Or Oates himself for that matter?
Of course, that is never established (would have been interesting if they incorporated that into his flashback) so the plot hole the reviewer cites is totally valid.
This DID occur to me, as soon as LVC and Tucker swam across. Yeah, earlier, one of the gang members made a point about being freaked out by the fact that the river was so deep, but to imagine that every member of the gang has such issues is a real stretch. Remy's gang is huge! He's gotta have at least a couple guys who can do a bit of SEAL work, cross and secure the raft, and bring it back. Only a couple men need to go.  Maybe Remy himself can't swim, but he could still order his men to do it, even if they claimed they couldn't. He'd at least try it. Or his partner, the brains of the operation, would have at least suggested it. The whole issue should have been raised in the script, and then dealt with somehow. Maybe Remy has some kind of weird superstition about not letting himself or any of his men touch large amounts of water. That would tie in well with the bathtub motif that runs through the film.



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« #59 : May 07, 2009, 06:47:11 PM »

Its not that far fetched, reading a lot of historical journals from the French & Indian War when I was doing research most soldiers/civilians couldn't swim and any body of water was a real obstacle back then.


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