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« #510 : October 09, 2014, 12:54:30 AM »

The Italian version is often given with 118 min, but then it seems nobody really knows exactly how long Italian films are. The 116 min version we al know is supposed to be uncut. Maybe there was once a version with exit or intermission music.

Instead of a longer version I would prefer a slightly shorter version which cuts 2 - 3 min of senseless slapstick. But it would only work if I could define what senseless means in that context.

And of course MNIN should have it's own section just like the other Leones. Last Days of Pompeji too. The MNIN thread has already become too large and too unclear to find information if one searches for such.


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« #511 : October 09, 2014, 02:09:34 AM »

It is not a Leone movie, hence it doesn not have or need its own section.


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« #512 : October 09, 2014, 02:17:04 AM »

On the other hand, if it had its own section, we would enjoy that "it is (not) a Leone movie" debate once a day instead of once a week.


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« #513 : October 09, 2014, 02:34:39 AM »

No debate needed, the facts speak alone.


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« #514 : October 09, 2014, 02:52:07 AM »

Here are some FACTS, talking alone: it is well known that Leone directed the opening, the final battle and all the TH scenes while he was simultaneously crafting the race sequence of Ben Hur. Also Leone plays Jack Beauregard and most of the wild bunch in 80% of the wide shots. Valerii may have directed a couple scenes at some point but no evidence has been found.
Source: http://tinyurl.com/whodirectedMyNameIsNobody

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« #515 : October 09, 2014, 04:06:24 AM »

Then WHY isn't he credited as the director?


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« #516 : October 09, 2014, 04:08:19 AM »

The real question is WHY isn't he credited as Jack Beauregard?
Also, I wouldn't ask for a director's credit when the climax of the movie is a powerpoint about history books.
Last, are you really trying to troll the troll here?

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« #517 : October 09, 2014, 04:39:21 AM »

Also, I wouldn't ask for a director's credit when the climax of the movie is a powerpoint about history books.
Ouch, ouch, ouch!

But you know, once I commit to a powerpoint presentation, I always see the job through. (It's probably my favorite moment of the movie--along with the Morricone follow-up music).



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« #518 : October 09, 2014, 05:10:28 AM »

Then WHY isn't he credited as the director?

He directed that Pompeji thingy complete, except probably for the second unit stuff for which he actually was credited extra big, instead of being credited as director.

It is not a Leone movie, hence it doesn not have or need its own section.

Some/ many/ most think that it is Leone movie, that's reason enough for me.

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« #519 : October 09, 2014, 05:16:15 AM »

The real question is WHY isn't he credited as Jack Beauregard?


Cause it was in fact Jane Fonda. How one can confuse Jane Fonda with fat Sergio is beyond me ...


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« #520 : October 09, 2014, 05:39:14 AM »

Cause it was in fact Jane Fonda. How one can confuse Jane Fonda with fat Sergio is beyond me ...

I could swear it was Bridget in the cemetery scene.


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« #521 : October 09, 2014, 08:05:37 AM »

He directed that Pompeji thingy complete, except probably for the second unit stuff for which he actually was credited extra big, instead of being credited as director.

That's a completely missed parallel. Like comparing apples and oranges.

TLDOP was filmed half a decade before he made his mark as a director: if he was un-rightfully un-credited after he left his mark on that movie it is understandable why that never was corrected - he did not have the authority/background to turn the whole thing around in his favor, or perhaps, it was said to him right away. By the time he did have the needed renome it was probably not important anymore or a lost case.


Some/ many/ most think that it is Leone movie, that's reason enough for me.

It is not reason enough for me. If some/many/most think that it is OK to lynch someone without a trial - it might be okay and reason enough for them - but it is not reason enough for me. I like to follow reason.


You're on the wrong road here all along: it was done when Sergio Leone could have put his name there if he wanted, but - fact is - he didn't.


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« #522 : October 09, 2014, 08:08:01 AM »

The real question is WHY isn't he credited as Jack Beauregard?
Also, I wouldn't ask for a director's credit when the climax of the movie is a powerpoint about history books.
Last, are you really trying to troll the troll here?

Why should I care if he didn't?

You guys seem to evade this every time this 'debate' starts.


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« #523 : October 09, 2014, 08:23:55 AM »

DD believes that word "director" is sacred. I've learned it's not useful to argue with religious people.



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« #524 : October 09, 2014, 10:06:09 AM »

DD is taking very seriously something that isn't serious. I was only trolling and not debating because it's not very interesting. But if you want to know what I really think of it:

- DJ told us many time (and DJ is never wrong, as long as agrees with me) that the auteur theory is bullshit. Many people were involved and they all had there importance.

- Valerii directed the film and Leone had a lot of input. It's a Valerii film but also a Leone film. Generally speaking, they're both responsible for many of the flaws and strengths of the film. Now may be someone here is 70% responsible, or maybe 51%, or may be even 50%. Seriously, what does that even mean?

- They may not be responsible for the same stuff, that's were the debate begins to get a little less pointless. "Who's responsible for the powerpoint?" is a real question. "Who's responsible for the film?" has no answer.

- The director of photography (forgot his name) is one of the guys to blame for the cheapness of the movie. I wish they could have hired Deli Colli for this one and for DYS.

- I love the film. I love the Leonian feeling in it. I like that it's different from a 100% Leone movie.

Once again, pointless debate as long as you're just trying to pin a name on the movie. I could say it's a Terrence Hill movie I would still be more right than those who think it's a Leone film or a Valerii film, because that movie would NEVER have been imagined without Terrence Hill. Let's discuss particular scenes (the cemetery scene is amazing. Who did it?) and/or elements (too much slapping? too little poetry?).

(DD, did I really convinced you that Leone played the Fonda part? I'm a bit lost here)

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