30 Westerns in Once

[The Peacemaker]

You mean the entrance of Cheyenne's gang is a reference to that scene?

It probably is.

[dave jenkins]

Seems like it to me. In JG, when the gang comes in,  there's a bad matte of Monument Valley in the background; in OUATITW there's some actual Monument Valley dust being thrown about when the gang enters.

[Huey]

The Gunfighter, starring Gregory Peck, was cited in an article I once read.  This claimed that the scene in which Frank left the saloon, with a gunfight inevitable, was reminiscent of Jimmy Ringo leaving his saloon.

[poderator]

Couple a days ago I watched spaghetti western "Wanted" (1967) with Giuliano Gemma in a leading role as Gary Ryan, who is accused for murder, and he is forced to escape. Of course he need to prove his innocence and only whore in the hotel where crime is comitted knows full truth. He is forced to hide in a small mexican village, but he is a wanted man, so he is forced to find a shelter in brother Carmello's little church.
Village is very poor, and 5000 dollars is not small amount for the peasants. So mexican peasants searched the whole village in pursuit for Gary, and they finally came to the church door. Brother Carmello first pulls the "church is a safe place for those who need it", but peasants are wild, because they smell money, and they are ready to break into church by force if neccesary.
Main point; in order to prevent them going into the church brother Carmello pulled heavy guns; it is not exact quote but something like this; " You are a honest folks, i know you all, but this is wrong, what you are doing now. How can you kill a man for a 30 silver coins!". And the bunch of peasants said: " No brother Carmello, not for a 30, but for 5000 yes!"
So this movie is relised in 1967, so that means a year before OUTIW. It contains the similar  joke about Juda as in OUTIW auction scene, and the amount of money is the same: 5000 dollars.
It is not a direct quote I know, but it is very close.

[Ben Tyreen]

  Watched The Iron Horse today and caught a lot of references Leone used in OUATITW from Ford's silent picture as Dave put in the post a few pages back.  There were some really cool visuals, especially the train driving over the camera, a scene repeated almost exactly in the beginning of OUATITW. 

  It's a great train movie, only a good movie overall.  But definitely worth checking out for the footage of the trains, and also the Indian attacks on a train at the end of the track.

[T.H.]

This thread really should be stickied. You guys did a wonderful job, even got that dialogue sequence from Jubal (I was going to suggest it), very impressive. The only thing I would add is Vera Miles' stepping off the train in Liberty Valance is very similar to Jill's in West. I believe I posted this before but I don't even know if it's important enough.

[Groggy]

The Gunfighter, starring Gregory Peck, was cited in an article I once read.  This claimed that the scene in which Frank left the saloon, with a gunfight inevitable, was reminiscent of Jimmy Ringo leaving his saloon.

I never thought of this one, but it seems pretty solid to me.

[dave jenkins]

This thread really should be stickied. You guys did a wonderful job, even got that dialogue sequence from Jubal (I was going to suggest it), very impressive. The only thing I would add is Vera Miles' stepping off the train in Liberty Valance is very similar to Jill's in West. I believe I posted this before but I don't even know if it's important enough.

Thanks, no, that is an important observation. There is also a similar scene in Last Train From Gun Hill where Caroline Jones steps down off the train.

[T.H.]

Yes, that escaped my mind, nice one Jenkins.

[uncknown]

As I said above, I also think that this could be in part of the fact that Leone cited "Warlock" as one of his favorite films.  While the "Liberty Valance" references, as relatively vague as they are, can be pretty well confirmed, I see virtually nothing to connect "Warlock" to OUATITW, except that Leone was a fan.  So, go figure.

I just started a thread on WARLOCK in the other films category.
Fonda's general persona is the closest thing to an influence imo

[uncknown]

Just saw another possible reference last night a modern day Western film starring Kirk Douglas called "Ace in The Hole", its about a down and out washed up newspaper reporter who is towed in his broken down convertible into Albuquerque, New Mexico. He goes into a local newspaper office to look for a job as a reporter. When he meets the editor he sees that he's wearing a belt & suspenders and Douglas makes the comment (similar to Fonda's in OUTITW) to the editor about him not trusting anything.

Story is about a man trapped in a cave and Douglas manufactures the story to get back into the big time, it was a pretty good flick.

yeah i just watched that one and noticed that dialog.
the meaning is differnt however. Douglas says it admiringly - this is a man  who is prepared, dependable.
In WEST it is a putdown "he doesnt t trust his own pants..."

[dave jenkins]

Groggy must have modified his view, because later he pointed out the knocking-over-the-guy-with-crutches routine that is common to both films.

[Cusser]

"Ace in the Hole" is also known as "The Big Carnival".  I've seen it, it's good, and thought provoking.

[uncknown]

"Ace in the Hole" is also known as "The Big Carnival".  I've seen it, it's good, and thought provoking.

could been a classic if it had someone other than Kirk Douglas in the lead. Felt like I was watching a Frank Gorshin imitation!

[dave jenkins]

could been a classic if it had someone other than Kirk Douglas in the lead. Felt like I was watching a Frank Gorshin imitation!