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« #30 : November 11, 2005, 01:40:40 PM »

I think he just did it to see if the rumours were true

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« #31 : November 11, 2005, 05:18:10 PM »

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« #32 : November 13, 2005, 06:54:15 AM »

if she had a hairy chest or not  ;D

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« #33 : November 20, 2005, 03:26:29 AM »

I also don't have a real good idea why he does it.  However,  the first time I saw the movie, the best explanation I came up with was that Harmonica knew it was dangerous for Jill to leave, and he knew that she was determined to leave right then.  Since Harmonica isn't big on talking too much, he scared her into listening to him by ripping some of her clothes off.  He knew that if he did that, she would do what he told her, and he'd be able to save her life.

To me, this still makes more sense than any of the other explanations given, and I haven't heard anyone else say it.  Am I crazy, or does anyone aggree with me?

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« #34 : November 20, 2005, 12:02:30 PM »

nice theory

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« #35 : November 20, 2005, 05:22:33 PM »

The thing is, Harmonica does two different things with Jill's dress. First he pulls off the finery around her throat (the better to expose her bust, you might think). But then he also rips off the lace (or whatever) around her wrists. There seems to be some desire to make her clothing more comfortable or, at least, more functional.



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« #36 : November 21, 2005, 05:58:40 AM »

Well if she's leaving then they will wait and ambush her on the way back to Flagstone. If she's staying they will hve to ride down and get her. Makes sense, since they don't know Harmonica is there, in the other senario Harmonica would have to either shadow her or ride with her somehow with the possibility of exposing himself to them, no?


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« #37 : November 21, 2005, 04:24:40 PM »

So, the idea is that with her dress stripped down it looks like Jill's planning to stay, but if she went out to the well all dolled up the riders would just think she was getting herself a drink before hitting the road? And if it looks like she's planning to stay, the boys won't wait up on the hill any longer but ride down into pistol range? Okay, I'll buy that. But couldn't Sergio have given us a little more help on this?



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« #38 : November 26, 2005, 04:25:33 PM »



1. Why does Frank not keep his original "appointment" with Harmonica at the train-station, and instead send a welcoming committee to murder him? At this point, he doesn't even know who Harmonica is, so what's his motivation in wanting him dead? I know he's a murderous pyschopath, but surely he must have some justification for this extreme action? Even if he were suspicious of Harmonica's request to meet, surely he'd want his men to bring Harmonica to him first before the execution?

* As Morton said to Frank: Before you did things yourself, now you have people doing things for you.
For Harmonica it was an important day to meet Frank, for Frank it was Monday. He has men know to do the dirty jobs.



2. Why does Cheyenne risk his hide in rescuing Harmonica from Morton's train? At this point in their relationship, they don't seem to know very much about each other at all. Does he have some other motivation in this scene which I'm just missing?

Well, Morton and Frank had there men to dress out as Cheyenne when they killed Mcbains'. And as he said: He understand why they would dress out to lokk like him, but i don't like it. He would be angry, and a angry Cheyenne ain't a nice thing to see.

3. Why does Jill put Sweetwater up for auction at all? She seemed intent on staying there prior to her 'love' scene with Frank. Now assuming he threatened her into releasing the property, why didn't she just do a private sale with him or Morton?

She doesn't have much to choose of. Frank kind of makes her do that. As she put it: "I just want to sell..."

4. Why does Harmonica buy Sweetwater for $5000 anyway? He is part of the 'Old West' and obviously has no interest in being a 'businessman' or living in a burgeoning town. Why should he think that buying it will convince Jill to stay (if that is indeed what he thinks)?

The award for Cheyenne is 5000 dollars, so why not?
Cheyenne escapes anyway.

5. Why does Cheyenne submit to being captured by Harmonica for the $5000 bounty? Presumably this is a ruse worked out between the two men to raise the money for the property. But why? It would seem insanely risky for Cheyenne to go along with this plan with only the vague hope that he may find a way to escape from prison. (Or should we believe that Cheyenne is captured unwillingly? In which case, why are Cheyenne and Harmonica on good terms at the film's close?)

He is along with it. The two men who buys a ticket ("one way only") ,after seing Cheyenne captured by the sheriff, is Cheyennes' men and will free him ON the train before it arrives.

6. Does Harmonica ever give Jill her land back?

Yes. It didn't cost nothing. It was payed by the money for Cheyennes capture.

Don't know if the questions allready have been answered, but those are my thoughts.





 






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« #39 : November 27, 2005, 05:23:29 AM »

Well my answer to 1 is that he just doesn't care if someone wants to see him and he's a mean SOB enough to just get rid of a potential problem rather then go and meet him.


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« #40 : November 27, 2005, 09:54:50 AM »

Well my answer to 1 is that he just doesn't care if someone wants to see him and he's a mean SOB enough to just get rid of a potential problem rather then go and meet him.


well i saw it as since he is a mean SOB he has a lot of enemys. so he figured dont risk it and just get rid of this guy.

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