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« #120 : July 03, 2009, 09:27:48 PM »

Both are examples of what we call "over egging the pudding."

Directors like Peckinpah and Fuller deserve special treatment in terms of being criticized for overdoing anyting, afterall, it's their forte. It's not like the rock throwing scene was shot in close ups or anything - I'm not going overstep myself and pen it poetic but it's something I'd consider to be a flaw only in the script. You can make a better case for the mirror shooting but these moments are homages, albeit it could have been executed in a more subtle manner.



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« #121 : July 04, 2009, 02:10:44 AM »

In WILD BUNCH children are throwing rocks at the Bunch when they enter Mapaches Hacienda.
STRAW DOGS begins with children throwing rocks at a dog...
It's a constant theme in Peckinpah's work.
Same with the mirror.
In the case of GARRETT: when he made the decision to kill Billy, he also made
the decision to kill himself - his old life, his friends and values. He sold out
and shooting at himself (or his image) is the last possible gesture.



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« #122 : July 04, 2009, 07:40:37 AM »

Isn't there a mirror shooting in the opening moments of The Deadly Companions? I only saw the first ten minutes b/c the copy I receieved was pan and scanned. It was dollar store quality.



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« #123 : July 04, 2009, 08:47:11 AM »

I thought the mirror scene was a great touch.



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« #124 : July 04, 2009, 11:08:39 AM »

I think so too. It's been a long time since I saw the movie, and I saw the bad cut I believe.
To me it just meant he couldn't bare looking at himself anymore. But it''s always possible there was even more symbolism to it.


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« #125 : July 04, 2009, 12:20:57 PM »

On a literal level Peckinpah seems to have been fond of doing that himself, and Coburn wanted to use it in the movie.



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« #126 : July 04, 2009, 02:08:59 PM »

shooting mirrors?


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« #127 : July 04, 2009, 02:38:43 PM »

Yep. He also liked to throw knives into the wall of his hotel room.



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« #128 : July 04, 2009, 05:35:42 PM »

interesting  ;D


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« #129 : July 25, 2009, 12:47:29 PM »

Hmmmm . . .  http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film2/DVDReviews46/requiem_for_billy_the_kid.htm



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« #130 : July 25, 2009, 08:02:52 PM »

I always thought Garrett shooting the mirror was heavy handed.
Coburn looking at himself in disgust would have been perfectly suitable for me.




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« #131 : August 04, 2009, 04:19:55 AM »

I love that mirror shotting. It adds to the moment (especially after Billy forgets to bleed).

Coburn should've totally won an Oscar for Pat, but the Academy was always blind and idiot.


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« #132 : August 04, 2009, 08:35:46 AM »

(especially after Billy forgets to bleed).

I forgot this moment. ;D

Who did win an Oscar that year, then?



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« #133 : August 04, 2009, 09:44:13 AM »

I love that mirror shotting. It adds to the moment (especially after Billy forgets to bleed).



As far as I could research it, they had a 'long night' in Durango the evening before that shot
and  heavy-headed forget to prepare special effects for Kristofferson the next day!
That's what two of the crew told me. I believe it, since it is rather unusual for Peckinpah not
to show ANY kind of impact here..

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« #134 : August 04, 2009, 10:12:07 AM »

Jack Lemmon won Best Actor for something called "Save the Tiger". ??? Also up that year were Al Pacino, Robert Redford, Jack Nicholson and Marlon Brando - all of the early '70s darling actors. I definitely agree Coburn was Oscar-worthy but no chance in hell he was gonna win with that kind of competition.



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