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« #135 : August 04, 2009, 10:18:28 AM »

Jack Lemmon won Best Actor for something called "Save the Tiger". ???

Yes, I also looked it up... Never heard of it. Although that doesn't mean much with me.



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« #136 : August 04, 2009, 12:33:44 PM »

Why is it that so many great actors don't get it?  :( Or not for their greatest role.


But really, Billy not bleeding is strange. Sam was not called Bloody Sam for nothing... maybe he was like: "They'll expect a LOT of blood, so I'll be aesthetic, heh heh!"  :P


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« #137 : August 04, 2009, 01:42:46 PM »

Why is it that so many great actors don't get it?  :( Or not for their greatest role.

And great directors. It's all the same with other artists, too, I hear...



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« #138 : August 05, 2009, 03:10:56 PM »

Save the Tiger is a good movie with a great Lemmon performance. Not his best one (that is - for me - Some Like It Hot), but one of his best. Surely worth an Oscar, though i can't remember the other contenders.


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« #139 : August 05, 2009, 04:14:46 PM »

Brando - Last Tango in Paris
Redford - The Sting
Pacino - Serpico
Nicholson - I don't recall, look it up



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« #140 : August 05, 2009, 11:24:16 PM »


Nicholson - I don't recall, look it up


The Last Detail I think.




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« #141 : September 08, 2009, 07:33:18 PM »


Can't say I'm bothered by cut lines from LQ Jones in his death scene. I find the scene annoying, especially the fact that LQ flagrantly violates Tuco's Law.

There's a problem with this assertion which bugged me as I was reading through the thread (again). To my way of thinking, Q's character is deliberately trying to distract Garrett with his chatter, so as to catch Garrett off-guard when he does get a shot at him. This seems pretty obvious to me if you pay attention to the scene, and reading it at such, it would be an inversion of Tuco's Law.

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« #142 : January 03, 2010, 04:21:19 AM »

About the 2005 version of PG&BtK:

The 2 biggest mistakes Paul Seydor made was to restore the theatrical credits, instead of using the preview credits, and not to return to the 1909 framing shots, which are there to close the circle. And the whole film is in it's episodical structure about circles.

These are 2 ideas nobody else would have done besides Seydor.

His best ideas are the earlier presenting of the raft scene and the including of the Knocking on Heaven's door lyrics, both like it was done in the 73 cut.
All the other changes are debatable for me.

I also think that some of the violence wasn't cut in the way Peckinpah has done this before. But Seydor hasn't tried to change it. An example is the Billy and Alias shooting of Chisum's men after the turkey chase. Here several slo mo shots are presented as a whole, whereas Peckinpah had them mostly (always?) intercut with other shots.

I had seen for many years only the theatrical version, and it was always Peckinpah's second masterwork for me. Due to it's episodical structure the film wasn't as damaged as Major Dundee (still is) and the shorter versions of the Wild Bunch. It wasn't as complex as the longer versions, but PG&BtK already worked in this version. And you could see what it was about, you only had to look a bit closer.

When I first saw the Turner cut I was a bit disappointed as the film had, apart from the new opening scene, not improved as much as I had it expected. I still think the pacing of the Turner cut is not good, and that's why I prefer the Seydor version. Even if some beautiful moments are gone, the film leaves a much greater impact.

I would cut some of the violence different, I would use of course the preview credits and the preview ending, and I would maybe put some minor pieces back to the Seydor cut. Especially some of the violence like Billy's 2nd shot on the already dead Ollinger.
Then it would be perfect. Unfortunately this all will never happen.


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« #143 : March 13, 2010, 02:59:41 AM »

orginally, sam wanted roger miller to do the sountrack. kriss kristofferson phoned bob to come down to the  set.
at first, sam didn't know or like dylan who took sam  took sam into a corner and played knockin on heaven's door. peckinpah emerged w/ tears yelling SIGN THIS KID UP !  the rest is western movie making history.
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« #144 : March 13, 2010, 03:05:33 AM »

Never heard about that! Cool :)  O0


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« #145 : March 13, 2010, 03:41:23 AM »

except he sort of sucks in the film as an actor, soundtrack is good though.


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« #146 : March 13, 2010, 03:52:11 AM »

except he sort of sucks in the film as an actor, soundtrack is good though.

Well I don't think his acting causes the film to suffer in any way, although his strength is certainly in the soundtrack.

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« #147 : March 13, 2010, 08:38:14 AM »

except he sort of sucks in the film as an actor, soundtrack is good though.
rambling robert zimmerman made his film debut in PGABTK. he jerks his head around a lot and does what he's told  ???

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« #148 : March 13, 2010, 09:45:33 PM »

Well I don't think his acting causes the film to suffer in any way, although his strength is certainly in the soundtrack.

Well I agree with this. Sorta.


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« #149 : March 14, 2010, 02:25:10 AM »

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Well I don't think his acting causes the film to suffer in any way, although his strength is certainly in the soundtrack.

If he wasn't there at all I wouldn't have missed him.


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