Leone/Kubrick

[poderator]

In 1968 we had two maior movies Space Odissey 2001 and OUTIW.
Famous scene in SO 2001;
1.Ape man's first learning to use bone as a tool. And the first wheapon (the bone) match-cuts to the latest wheapon (orbiting nuclear bomb platforms). Perhaps the most famous cut of all time. It explains how people developed more and more deadly wheapons as they civilisation grew. Kubrick managed to spend only frame or two of his movie and he covered two crucial moments separated by milions of years.
2.Sergio managed to pull something similar; his famous shot in the McBain massacre scene. Frank draw his gun very slowly, cock it and as he fires, we have a cut on the train arriving to Flagstone station, and sound of the gun is mixed with the sound of the locomotive.
What do you guys think what was Sergio's intention with this shot. He was obviously trying to tell us something, just like Kubrick did. But what?
Clearly we have to establish some kind of conection between the gun and the railroad. But what kind of connection?
Train as a simbol of the future wheapon? Maybe, but train in OUATIW is not only described as a negative thing(well yes but only in the Morton/Frank storyline) it has positive conotation also (civilisation of the West, Jill's storyline).I would like to hear your opinions.

[moviesceleton]

Interesting idea! But I have to say that that cut has also a great effect. That screaming whistle scared the shit out of me.

[dave jenkins]

Interesting idea! But I have to say that that cut has also a great effect. That screaming whistle scared the shit out of me.

Old Hitchcock trick (see The 39 Steps).

[moviesceleton]

Old Hitchcock trick (see The 39 Steps).

Just saw it yesterday, and noticed it.

[noodles_leone]

"in the West, at this period, railroad was what was going out of the weapons." told Sergio Leone in Conversations with Sergio Leone. (pretty bad translation, but i hope you get the point)

He meant that the gun of Frank is serving the railroad, which means the civiliation, the end of the old west.

But to me, it was more of a cinematographic effect than a real ideological developement (even if the explaination Leone gives perfectly matches the effect and the subject of the movie).

[Jill]

And Frank didn't understand he's destroying his own world... by serving Morton.
That's what Harmonica told him.