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« #15630 : February 08, 2016, 06:40:07 PM »

maybe Facebook is a more interesting invention than anything Jobs ever did

What????? Are you serious????

If I may make an analogy: Jobs is like the telephone and Zuckerberg like the cellphone. (Or Jobs is like the cellphone and Zuckerberg like the smartphone.)

In each analogy, the second item vaulted us into a new age, but there is no doubt that the change in our lives from before the first item was invented to afterward is far far greater than the change in our lives from before the second item was invented and afterward.

Put differently, without Steve Jobs  revolutionizing the personal computer, there would be no Facebook or social media. Does EVERYONE have Facebook? No. But virtually everyone has a computer.

The difference between a world with no telephone to afterward is so insanely huge that it dwarfs the difference between a world with no cellphone and afterward. Same with personal computer vs. Facebook. I don't even see how this can be a point of argument.

Maybe you and I are too young to remember a world without personal computers; but I'm also too young to remember the world before Alexander Graham Bell. But I'm not too stupid to appreciate the way he changed our lives forever  :-*

 Maybe you'll say that when you said "interesting" you didn't mean "important." Then what does "interesting" mean? Filmable?

By the way, not to minimize Zuckerberg or Facebook - he is the world's youngest self-made billionaire and deservedly so - but MySpace was already here; Facebook ultimately destroyed MySpace but the point is that the concept of social media sites was already out there. Zuckerberg improved on it and made the best product and he sure as hell changed our lives forever but not nearly in the way Jobs did.

BtwX2: Do you find it possible to believe that Facebook may be much less popular in a few years, when the next big social media site comes around? I certainly think so. But do you think it possible that any of the major products Apple invented/revolutionized will be gone? I highly doubt it.

P.s. I still have not seen STEVE JOBS  >:D
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« #15631 : February 08, 2016, 11:19:12 PM »

Grog: I see what you mean, I'm not sure you got what I meant. Anyway, the movie "talks" to me so from my standpoint it does work. Almost perfectly. And in a very innovative way. Also, the dialogues are absolutely amazing so there is that.

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I think that without Steve Jobs, the PC industry nowadays would be exactly the same as it is, except may with less polished designs. Jobs' only revolution in the Area was with the first Mac and its use of typography... which had impact at the time but I'm pretty sure we would have the same fonts nowadays anyway. I've never liked the iPod and have had better mp3 players before and after it was invented. iTunes helped the music industry to survive a few more years but 1) I still don't get how nobody had got it right 5 years before 2) it's already almost obsolete. Jobs biggest thing is the iPhone, and i'm definitely not downplaying this one but smartphones would have happened anyway, maybe a couple of years later. Last, Jobs did a lot to bring back high quality electronics with beautiful design and finish back to our homes. That's both cool and not very important.
Social web's mass adoption (up to the point where my grandmother is my Facebook friend) wasn't bound to happen. It did, for the better and for the worst, thanks to a few guys, including Zuck.
That's what I meant. I still love my iPhone, my iPad and I highly respect Jobs impact on our lives. Go see the film.

Facebook will probably vanish at some point (not within the next decade, they have a great strategy and have repeatedly proved able to face big obstacles) and so will Apple (it already almost did before the iMac).

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« #15632 : February 09, 2016, 12:59:11 PM »

Fontane Effi Briest (1974) - 10/10. Just as Fontane seems to have wanted to do a German Madame Bovary, Fassbinder seems to have wanted to do an Ophuls film using Fontane's novel as base. It's got everything: b&w photography; a moving camera; academy aspect ratio; a long-suffering heroine. It's also got a great Walter Scott joke. My favorite bit comes when Effi's husband, Baron Instetten, discovers letters revealing Effi had assignations with a Major Crampas 6 years earlier. There's nothing for it but to challenge the man to a duel. Instetten discusses the issue with his prospective second; the second tries to talk him out of it. While they discuss things we see in montage the journey they will take to the site of the duel, one consisting of train rides and finally a trip by coach. The discussion is amazing and turns on the question of honor. Had Instetten never mentioned the affair to anyone he could have ignored it. But now that he is discussing the matter with his second he is compelled to go through with the action. The fact that someone else now knows about it--the second--places the baron's honor in jeopardy. Failure to act will necessary diminish Instetten in the eyes of the second. The second reluctantly agrees that he is right. The discussion and journey are intercut so that each concludes concurrently and ends with a close-up on Instetten's pistol as it fires, fatally wounding Crampus. This bit of bravura filmmaking is then capped with a wonderful final moment. The dying Crampas, by way of one of those officiating the duel, asks to say one last thing to Instetten. The baron approaches the man. Crampas begins, "Would you . . . ?" And dies. The baron walks away, probably to see about breakfast.

Fantastic film.



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« #15633 : February 09, 2016, 02:42:13 PM »

Grog: I see what you mean, I'm not sure you got what I meant. Anyway, the movie "talks" to me so from my standpoint it does work. Almost perfectly. And in a very innovative way. Also, the dialogues are absolutely amazing so there is that.

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I think that without Steve Jobs, the PC industry nowadays would be exactly the same as it is, except may with less polished designs. Jobs' only revolution in the Area was with the first Mac and its use of typography... which had impact at the time but I'm pretty sure we would have the same fonts nowadays anyway. I've never liked the iPod and have had better mp3 players before and after it was invented. iTunes helped the music industry to survive a few more years but 1) I still don't get how nobody had got it right 5 years before 2) it's already almost obsolete. Jobs biggest thing is the iPhone, and i'm definitely not downplaying this one but smartphones would have happened anyway, maybe a couple of years later. Last, Jobs did a lot to bring back high quality electronics with beautiful design and finish back to our homes. That's both cool and not very important.
Social web's mass adoption (up to the point where my grandmother is my Facebook friend) wasn't bound to happen. It did, for the better and for the worst, thanks to a few guys, including Zuck.
That's what I meant. I still love my iPhone, my iPad and I highly respect Jobs impact on our lives. Go see the film.

Facebook will probably vanish at some point (not within the next decade, they have a great strategy and have repeatedly proved able to face big obstacles) and so will Apple (it already almost did before the iMac).

How can you assume that all this technology would have eventually been invented without Jobs? And if Facebook had not been invented, we'd all be on MySpace or another of the numerous sites that Facebook killed off. Facebook is a key development but not a brand new invention. And yes, Apple created the modern (as opposed to BlackBerry) smartphone. I still virtually never use Facebook, but I am typing this message on an iPhone 6 Plus.

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« #15634 : February 10, 2016, 01:16:54 AM »

what do you mean "all this technology"? If you're only talking about anything else than smartphones, please develop because I don't see anything Apple invented. About smartphones: every single big tech company was working on it. Something good was bound to happen. It could have been windows phone, for example. But Google bought Android in 2005 (first iPhone release: 2007). So many billions of dollars were invested in this and we all just sat there and waited for the definitive smartphone to come.

Pre Facebook social web was a niche market, no big company worked on it. Some of them bought a few startups and killed them or got close to kill them. MySpace wasn't killed by Facebook it killed itself. Twitter wasn't killed by Facebook it just isn't a mainstream service. Friendster got so many things wrong it's actually impressive. Maybe something would have replaced Facebook, I'm just not sure it would have happened.

Also: when Steve Jobs presented the iPhone, everybody was waiting for exactly this. Which means we knew the concept, we all had thought about it and we were just waiting for Apple to do it right. And they did. When I first heard about Facebook, I just couldn't get what the thing was. Very few people could. Building a 100 billions company out of it is more impressive to me. That's a more impressive vision that just "get things right". The fact that you don't use Facebook is irrelevant, the world has far more Facebook users than Apple customers.

Once again I like both companies so I don't really get why you don't just stop arguing and go see Steve Jobs!

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« #15635 : February 10, 2016, 06:33:28 AM »

Hail, Caesar! (2016) - 3/10. I gather that this is supposed to be a comedy. Unhappily, the Coens forgot to write any jokes for it. Well, Deakins' photography looks nice (thus ensuring a 10/10 from noodles_l).



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« #15636 : February 10, 2016, 11:56:23 AM »

The Killing of a Chinese Bookie (108 Minute Cut)

I have seen this cut of the film and now have concluded that I enjoy the 135 minute version more.

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« #15637 : February 10, 2016, 03:15:27 PM »

Hail, Caesar! (2016) - 3/10. I gather that this is supposed to be a comedy. Unhappily, the Coens forgot to write any jokes for it. Well, Deakins' photography looks nice (thus ensuring a 10/10 from noodles_l).

agree it sucked


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« #15638 : February 10, 2016, 04:14:19 PM »

So it's the worst Coen movie ever?


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« #15639 : February 10, 2016, 04:40:37 PM »

Hail, Caesar! (2016) - 3/10.
Good. I will probably love it.

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« #15640 : February 10, 2016, 08:58:03 PM »

THE CHOICE (2016) 5/10

Best thing about this piece of shit is that the lead babe has eyes as blue as the sea

And the lead dude has a magnificent Southern accent.


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« #15641 : February 11, 2016, 04:39:46 AM »

So it's the worst Coen movie ever?

No The Ladykillers sucked equally


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« #15642 : February 11, 2016, 05:32:07 AM »

No The Ladykillers sucked equally
Yeah, but the Coens didn't write that one. That one and the one with Clowny and Zeta Jones I don't consider true Coens films because the bros didn't do the writing. A true Coens Bro production has a script by them. Which is the case here, but the film still sucks. So, yeah, this probably is their worst film, just edging out Burn After Reading.



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« #15643 : February 11, 2016, 05:35:52 AM »

So far all Coen films are at least a good 6/10.
But I haven't watched yet their mainstream journey Ladykillers. And of course not Hail, Ceasar, which will be released here next week.


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« #15644 : February 11, 2016, 05:54:49 AM »

Sons and Lovers - 8/10 - Stark D.H. Lawrence adaptation with Dean Stockwell as an English miner's son eager to escape his lowly roots. Like How Green Was My Valley with the sentimentality drained out; very well-shot and grungy in the British style of the time, though the pompous music undercuts the realism. Stockwell's okay but Trevor Howard (in an Oscar-nominated role) and especially Wendy Hiller steal the show as his domineering parents.

Thor: The Dark World - 6/10 - Mildly diverting Marvel mayhem.



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