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« #12255 : July 16, 2013, 06:59:35 PM »

Mephisto (1981) - 8/10



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« #12256 : July 16, 2013, 09:41:11 PM »

yes I know about The Third Man although I haven't seen it. And no, it is not more famous than Citizen Kane.

I've seen some Welles movies but I can't say I've seen 'em all.

btw, I think he did a great acting job on Citizen Kane, which doesn't get mentioned much with all the talk about that movie's technical groundbreaking-ness.


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« #12257 : July 17, 2013, 01:35:16 AM »

yes I know about The Third Man although I haven't seen it. And no, it is not more famous than Citizen Kane.


The Third Man is more popular, at least here in Germany. CK has a reputation, but TTM has not only a similar reputation, it also has greater commercial flair. One reason is of course the beautiful and popular zither score.



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« #12258 : July 17, 2013, 02:17:50 AM »

well maybe that's the case in Germany cuz the movie takes place in Austria.

But in America, and I suspect in (at least most of) the rest of the world, Citizen Kane is more famous than The Third Man, (and almost any other movie, for that matter). Certainly among critics/directors/cineastes. Among average fans of Golden-Era movies, I'd bet any money at any odds that that was the case too, although I can't tell ya that I've taken any surveys.

For whatever it's worth, on IMDB, CK has been rated by over 204,000 fans, while TTM has been rated by just over 76,000.


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« #12259 : July 17, 2013, 07:02:46 PM »

The River (1951) - 6/10
An interesting film though quite boring from time to time. I felt the narration weighed down the storytelling. Some great-looking Technicolor shots scattered throughout. The actor who played Captain John was the film's [acting] high point. Far from a great actor of the time, though surprising that he was non-professional.

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« #12260 : July 18, 2013, 05:52:05 AM »

The River (1951) - 6/10
An interesting film though quite boring from time to time. I felt the narration weighed down the storytelling. Some great-looking Technicolor shots scattered throughout. The actor who played Captain John was the film's [acting] high point. Far from a great actor of the time, though surprising that he was non-professional.

Thomas Breen, the guy who played Capt. John, was the son of Joseph Breen.

 I might go a drop higher, like a 7/10, but I disagree with those who call it a masterpiece. Roger Ebert included this in his list of Great Movies, and in his review http://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/great-movie-the-river-le-fleuve-1951 he says that Martin Scorsese called this one and The Red Shoes "the two most beautiful color films ever made," and Ebert says Scorsese told him that he watches the movie "three times a year; sometimes four."

I agree that the film is pretty to look at, but I don't think it's anywhere near a masterpiece.

Doesn't the narration seems to dominate this movie more than almost any other, besides The Old Man and the Sea? I think the narrator's dialogue may be longer than the other characters' dialogue!

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« #12261 : July 18, 2013, 11:37:33 AM »

The stupid kid who played with snakes got bit by one. Big deal. Not a film I ever return to.



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« #12262 : July 18, 2013, 12:22:40 PM »

well maybe that's the case in Germany cuz the movie takes place in Austria.


Not because Austria, mainly because as a thriller with a great story it is easier to enjoy for a mainstream audience. It is more difficult to understand what makes Citizen Kane so great.

I prefer The Third Man to Citizen Kane.

But being a British film it is surely not that popular in the states.


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« #12263 : July 18, 2013, 01:31:41 PM »

well for me, CK ain't close to the greatest movie ever.

It's definitely hard to judge a movie on its own terms once you've heard so much about how it's supposed to be the greatest movie ever. It's like the expectations and fame are on your mind all the time, you can't judge it in the same way as if you never heard anything about it beforehand. It's a great pleasure for me when I watch some movie that I never heard anyone promoting, and love it, and then later on find out that it's a real popular and beloved movie; that way I know I am judging it purely on its own merit.


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« #12264 : July 18, 2013, 01:32:53 PM »

The stupid kid who played with snakes got bit by one. Big deal. Not a film I ever return to.

are you serious? is that your summary of The River?

I mean, as I said, I definitely don't think it's that great a movie, but you really think the movie is about the kid getting bitten by the snake?


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« #12265 : July 18, 2013, 02:01:31 PM »

Thomas Breen, the guy who played Capt. John, was the son of Joseph Breen.

 I might go a drop higher, like a 7/10, but I disagree with those who call it a masterpiece. Roger Ebert included this in his list of Great Movies, and in his review http://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/great-movie-the-river-le-fleuve-1951 he says that Martin Scorsese called this one and The Red Shoes "the two most beautiful color films ever made," and Ebert says Scorsese told him that he watches the movie "three times a year; sometimes four."

I agree that the film is pretty to look at, but I don't think it's anywhere near a masterpiece.

Doesn't the narration seems to dominate this movie more than almost any other, besides The Old Man and the Sea? I think the narrator's dialogue may be longer than the other characters' dialogue!
I may be wrong but I think he was referencing to technicolor specifically with that quote. As far as the technicolor look goes, I agree that Red Shoes looks pretty great. The River though? I can think of 3-5 impressive looking shots but overall it looked pretty generic despite the location. Most of Scorsese's recommendations are amazing (I'm referencing his documentaries My Voyage to Italy and A Personal Journey through American Movies) but not so much The River. It's a pretty standard melodrama enhanced by its setting.

The stupid kid who played with snakes got bit by one. Big deal. Not a film I ever return to.
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« #12266 : July 18, 2013, 02:20:59 PM »

I saw The River once, long ago. And I don't remember anything of it. Not even that it was colour film. It was probably an ok film. ;)


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« #12267 : July 18, 2013, 02:26:58 PM »

well for me, CK ain't close to the greatest movie ever.

It's definitely hard to judge a movie on its own terms once you've heard so much about how it's supposed to be the greatest movie ever. It's like the expectations and fame are on your mind all the time, you can't judge it in the same way as if you never heard anything about it beforehand. It's a great pleasure for me when I watch some movie that I never heard anyone promoting, and love it, and then later on find out that it's a real popular and beloved movie; that way I know I am judging it purely on its own merit.

I think it is no difference to watch a film which has a great reputation. Expectations are probably higher (unless it is from a director you don't like), and maybe you are, because of these expectations, more disappointed than necessary (if the film is less good than expected), but all in all it is just like watching any film. I enjoy it or I don't, and for that I will appraise it.


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« #12268 : July 18, 2013, 07:38:41 PM »

I may be wrong but I think he was referencing to technicolor specifically with that quote. As far as the technicolor look goes, I agree that Red Shoes looks pretty great. The River though? I can think of 3-5 impressive looking shots but overall it looked pretty generic despite the location. Most of Scorsese's recommendations are amazing (I'm referencing his documentaries My Voyage to Italy and A Personal Journey through American Movies) but not so much The River. It's a pretty standard melodrama enhanced by its setting.
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if I had to guess, I'd say Scorsese was probably talking about the color rather than the shots.

I think I saw some video somewhere where he said Renoir is the greatest director ever.


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« #12269 : July 18, 2013, 08:39:02 PM »

if I had to guess, I'd say Scorsese was probably talking about the color rather than the shots.

I think I saw some video somewhere where he said Renoir is the greatest director ever.
I'm also generally referring to the use of color. Should have specified. Especially an earlier scene in a dance hall.

Dick Tracy (1990) - 7.5/10
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