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« #12930 : January 02, 2014, 10:55:04 AM »


That being said, don't go into a lengthy explanation of your standpoint: I got it. Your sentence is still fun as hell.

not an explanation, just a clarification  ;) I've seen Goodfellas so many times (when I was a teenager), Mean Streets is now fresh for me.  Now, I rarely watch (even the best) movies more than once every 18 months or so. It was actually very rare for me (other than a Leone film) to watch Mean Streets twice in 2 days.

More importantly, wtf is with all the hating on The Aviator? I feel like we've discussed this before, but that is a damn great movie. My second-favorite of the millennium (after Mystic River)


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« #12931 : January 02, 2014, 11:03:02 AM »

More importantly, wtf is with all the hating on The Aviator? I feel like we've discussed this before, but that is a damn great movie. My second-favorite of the millennium (after Mystic River)

I don't know. I guess people consider it to be a commercial work for Marty. I don't know why, because the themes and characters are as Scorsesian as you can get.


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« #12932 : January 02, 2014, 11:09:19 AM »

I don't know. I guess people consider it to be a commercial work for Marty. I don't know why, because the themes and characters are as Scorsesian as you can get.

are you saying Scorsese sold out? He did it intentionally to be a commercial work?

I believe this project was actually close to his heart... he was planning this for a very long time.

what's your opinion of The Aviator? Forget (if you can) the CGI poster. Forget (if you can) that certain flight footage – such as Hughes's famous Beverly Hills crash – had to be CGI'd... waddaya think of the movie? what's your rating?


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« #12933 : January 02, 2014, 11:35:51 AM »

I believe this project was actually close to his heart... he was planning this for a very long time.
Though I'm too lazy to find any quotes to back this up, I'm pretty sure you're wrong here. My understanding is that the script was long in development before it was offered to Scorsese. For instance, he knew very little about Hughes' life before reading the script, or at least he didn't know more than the regular Joe. So I wouldn't call it a personal project in the same sense as Mean Streets, Raging Bull, Last Temptation of the Christ, Goodfellas, Gangs of New York or Silence. It was a typical Hollywood situation where the producer finds the director for the job.

Did Scorsese make it because he found the script interesting or because of the money? That I don't know, and it doesn't make any difference. But he's been known to make commercial films in order to get green light for his more personal projects (The Color of Money for The Last Temptation, Cape Fear for Goodfellas).

On a side note, The Wolf of Wall Street seems to be a "not-so-personal" project for Scorsese, too (yet definitely right up his alley).

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Two years ago I left the theater trembling. This time my reaction wasn't as strong, but it's still a damn fine film.


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« #12934 : January 02, 2014, 11:58:37 AM »

are you saying Scorsese sold out? He did it intentionally to be a commercial work?

I believe this project was actually close to his heart... he was planning this for a very long time.

what's your opinion of The Aviator? Forget (if you can) the CGI poster. Forget (if you can) that certain flight footage – such as Hughes's famous Beverly Hills crash – had to be CGI'd... waddaya think of the movie? what's your rating?

I like the film. Technically it's a wonderful piece of art, once again showing us the way of the future. I just don't like the way fades are used, it's very annoying during the first 20 minutes. Also the opening scene is terrible. Apart from that it's plain genius, technically speaking. Thematically, it's very Scorsesian, I like it although his characters are always just a bit too self destructive for me to completely "get it". Still, Hughes is the only Scorsese character who has noble passions: he wants to help humanity do better, go faster, higher, stronger, Daft Punk and stuff. I like that. I rate it something like 7.5 because it's his only fast-cut-narrated-epic (apart from Gang, that is too flawed) that still bore me in the middle after multiple viewings. I don't know what doesn't work for me in this one.

So I like it, and my previous comments were more about other people's opinions that mine. And yes, we discussed this film before, you and me ;)

Though I'm too lazy to find any quotes to back this up, I'm pretty sure you're wrong here. My understanding is that the script was long in development before it was offered to Scorsese. For instance, he knew very little about Hughes' life before reading the script, or at least he didn't know more than the regular Joe. So I wouldn't call it a personal project in the same sense as Mean Streets, Raging Bull, Last Temptation of the Christ, Goodfellas, Gangs of New York or Silence. It was a typical Hollywood situation where the producer finds the director for the job.

Did Scorsese make it because he found the script interesting or because of the money? That I don't know, and it doesn't make any difference. But he's been known to make commercial films in order to get green light for his more personal projects (The Color of Money for The Last Temptation, Cape Fear for Goodfellas).

On a side note, The Wolf of Wall Street seems to be a "not-so-personal" project for Scorsese, too (yet definitely right up his alley).

On the other hand, it's a good thing when Marty doesn't get too personal. Taxi Driver, Goodfellas and Raging Bull are masterpieces, but he's also been failing with his most personal projects over the last 20 years (Gangs, Kundun, The Last Temptation). I like it when he takes something that is not his baby and makes it his own (The Departed, The Wolf, The Aviator).

Shame (2011) - 8.5/10
Two years ago I left the theater trembling. This time my reaction wasn't as strong, but it's still a damn fine film.

I need to watch it again. My initial reaction was far less powerful as yours, but some scenes of Hunger prove that I could react like you one of these days.

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« #12935 : January 02, 2014, 01:05:46 PM »


Before the Devil Knows You're Dead (2007) - 7/10

In the end I didn't care for it at all, although the start was promising. It's still a good movie, don't get me wrong, not bad by any means, it just doesn't live up to its hype. I think it must be all the drama they injected in it, that I thought it didn't need. Especially the part about the parents and their unequal love for the two brothers, I thought that came right out of the blue, I didn't think it was Sidney Lumet's way of working (a priori to this movie)... Now, something else bothers me: usually I like PSH's performances, but here he annoyed me almost as much as EH, and on the top of that the sexy-yet-mostly-figured out MT pulls out her usual antics. AF okay, he too didn't convince me, but that might be cause of its co-stars. MS the best of them all IMVHO.

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« #12936 : January 02, 2014, 01:21:41 PM »

Before the Devil Knows You're Dead (2007) - 7/10

In the end I didn't care for it at all, although the start was promising. It's still a good movie, don't get me wrong, not bad by any means, it just doesn't live up to its hype. I think it must be all the drama they injected in it, that I thought it didn't need. Especially the part about the parents and their unequal love for the two brothers, I thought that came right out of the blue, I didn't think it was Sidney Lumet's way of working (a priori to this movie)... Now, something else bothers me: usually I like PSH's performances, but here he annoyed me almost as much as EH, and on the top of that the sexy-yet-mostly-figured out MT pulls out her usual antics. AF okay, he too didn't convince me, but that might be cause of its co-stars. MS the best of them all IMVHO.

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« #12937 : January 02, 2014, 01:39:46 PM »

I think Scorsese lost his touch in the late 90s, maybe already after Casino, but definitely with Gangs of New York, which was in large parts disappointingly conventional. The Aviator was good, but like Gangs I only saw it once, and I thought it had the potential to grow. But I'm not that interested in Hughes and in biographical films in general.

Aviator 7/10

Departed was a mixture of good and weak stuff. 6/10

A real turkey was Shutter Island. 4/10

Oh, and I haven't watched Hugo yet.


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« #12938 : January 02, 2014, 02:03:42 PM »

Oh, and I haven't watched Hugo yet.

Don't. I thought I wouldn't like it but still find things to steal, and nope. Nothing. Not as bad as Warhorse, but still really lame.
The only good thing is that it features the best use of 3D ever, that no one will ever match (except maybe Pina 3D but I didn't see it): the Melies films montage toward the end, fully transcoded in 3D. Absolute perfection and magic.


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« #12939 : January 02, 2014, 02:13:29 PM »

Wasn't Gravity the best 3 D film? At least the only one which I want to rewatch in 3 D. And the only one in which 3 D looks really three dimensional (actually I don't know the perfect English word for this), and not like a sequence of 2 Levels arranged one behind the other. And the only one in which 3 D did not look partly irritating.

Well, Hugo is on my PC, so I will watch it soon, in 2 D. Actually I already watched the first 10 min.


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« #12940 : January 02, 2014, 02:20:16 PM »

Gravity has the best by the books use of 3D, and the best 3D I've seen. Hugo uses the weaknesses of the technology as a strength. I'm talking about the pop up book feel that you're mentioning. It perfectly fits Melies' art direction. And that's why it will be so hard to top. The flaw becomes the charm.


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« #12941 : January 02, 2014, 02:21:27 PM »

Almost each of these sentences is plain wrong, but the last sentence is true so it's ok.

This could be the start of a great debate, no?

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« #12942 : January 02, 2014, 02:23:37 PM »

This could be the start of a great debate, no?

This could be the great start of a debate.


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« #12943 : January 02, 2014, 02:24:35 PM »

Well I'm waiting.

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« #12944 : January 02, 2014, 02:28:08 PM »

Ok, so here is the sad truth: I have spend far too much time on the board today while becoming more and more late for my work. So it's time to go back to work. But I'll be back and explain you why you're so wrong but Shannon is still even greater than you're wrong. WHile waiting you can watch the movie with the commentary track, it's among the most best commentaries I have ever listened. And I have listened like 10 of them so I know.


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