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« #13695 : July 13, 2014, 12:49:59 PM »

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« #13696 : July 13, 2014, 01:34:31 PM »

Blind Spot (1947) - 6/10. 35mm. Chester Morris doing a very credible Scott Brady impression (ha!). Morris is supposed to be a talented novelist whose books, although artistically successful, don't sell. Needing money, and needing courage to ask his publisher for an advance, he gets tanked up and goes to the publisher's office. There he meets Constance Dowling, secretary and bottle blonde. Dowling doesn't want to let Morris in to see the boss, but he charges past her. Inside the publisher is doing some serious putting with Steven Geray, a financially successful writer of mysteries. The publisher wants to send Morris packing, but Geray asks him to be patient when Morris claims to have a great idea for a locked-room mystery. Maybe on the strength of that idea Morris can get an advance? Yeah, maybe, but Morris is so drunk he may not be able to stay coherent. There is an ellipsis. Later, the publisher turns up dead . . . in his office, which was bolted shut from the inside. Morris turns up hungover . . . and claiming to have blacked out everything that happened the previous afternoon. Of course, the police think Morris did the murder. Morris doesn't know whether he did it or not. But if not him, who? And what was the clever solution to the locked-room mystery he concocted while drunk that he can't remember now? This is a great, great premise.

Unhappily, the way the film unspools from there leaves a lot to be desired.



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« #13697 : July 13, 2014, 02:17:07 PM »

Vámonos con Pancho Villa! (Let's Go with Pancho Villa) (1936) "Los Leones de San Pablo", six men from San Pablo decide to join Pancho Villa's army the fates are varied, Mexican "Zapata" Western all shot on location in Spanish with English subtitles, 7/10 from Netflix.

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« #13698 : July 13, 2014, 04:38:46 PM »

RE: PICNIC AT HANGING ROCK:

If you have the Criterion BRD, look at the shot that lasts from 20:19-20:23. That one in particular absolutely looks like it was inspired by a painting


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« #13699 : July 13, 2014, 07:22:44 PM »

someone posted on YouTube what he says was the original ending of Picnic at Hanging Rock https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hChZEMQXFg

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I did not agree with all the musical selections for this film. Yeah, Zamfir's pan pipes are nice at times, and some of the other musical selections are nice, but some are just really weird. Yeah, you can say maybe it was meant to be unsettling or whatever, but I just very often found myself shaking my head at the music.

Beethoven's Piano Concerto No. 5 in E-Flat, "Emperor Concerto" – whose second movement https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MbrBQwRmd2I is one of the pieces of music in this movie – is one of my favorite pieces of music ever written, but I wasn't sure it really fit with the movie (and I didn't like the tempo of this version either.)

An interesting note about Zamfir - Weir says that when he approached Zamfir to score the movie, Zamfir wasn't interested, so instead, I think Weir took a piece of music Zamfir had already recorded, not sure if it was already released on record, and used it for the score.

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another interesting note the cinematographer said: in order to get a sorta unsettling feeling, he sometimes used an almost imperceptible slo-mo: on a closeup shot, in which he asked the actress not to blink, and he made sure there was no wind blowing hair or anything like that, but he would roll the camera at like 50 fps - the fact that there was no blinking and no wind give no obvious signs to the viewer that it is slo-mo, but he felt that it would sorta add to the unsettling feeling.

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SPOILER ALERT

Also, Weir says that when he went to meet Joan Lindsey, the author, one question he was told not to ask her was whether the story was true. he asked anyway, and she said he should never ask again. So he never got an answer. Weir says that after the film was released, journalists did investigations into historical records, and could find no record of such an event. However, Weir says he believes that Lindsey did base the event some event that did happen and profoundly affect her. It was not exactly as in the book – and that's presumably why journalists found no record of it – but he believes that there was some sort of event where girls went missing on a school picnic that profoundly affected Lindsay.

I never read the book, but – assuming the movie closely follows the book – I assume it is a true story because it's kinda weird how one girl, Irma, is found, but no trace is ever found of the others. If it was pure fiction, you would assume that there would be a solution to the mystery; barring that, you would assume that either all would be found or none would be found. Having one girl found – alive, but with no memory of what happened?! – and the others disappear without a trace seems kinda too strange for fiction.

Also, Weir says that he thought viewers would be upset that there is no solution (as indeed many were) so that's why they came up with the idea of having that note in the beginning saying that there was a picnic and some of them disappeared without a trace, to let the viewer know right away, don't expect any solution. Personally, I wasn't expecting a solution – not only had I read the title card, but I think I had also read the plot synopsis on IMDB before seeing the movie – so this is the one instance where knowing what happens kinda helped. Cuz I think that if I had been expecting a solution but never gotten it, I would have also been disappointed. But knowing there would be no solution, tells you right away that this movie, though it may be called a Mystery, is not the sort of movie where the "What happens" matters.

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Anyway, I'll reiterate one final time: if you have the Criterion, watch that 25-minute piece entitled "Peter Weir," it is full of good stuff about the movie  :)

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« #13700 : July 13, 2014, 08:01:49 PM »

so from what I read in Ebert's review, it seems there are two versions of PICNIC AT HANGING ROCK: the original theatrical version, and a "director's cut" with 7 minutes removed from the movie. seems that the Criterion is the director's cut http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Picnic_at_Hanging_Rock#Versions

has anyone seen the original? can you tell us anything about those missing 7 minutes?

if Weir wanted those 7 minutes deleted when the movie was first released but the distributor kept it in, then I can understand that if he is able to delete it now, he does. But if he wanted it as is when it was released, and then 20 years later he decides, hey, I don't like these 7 minutes, lemme cut it out now, IMO you could make a good argument that that is bullshit. I mean, if Monet woke up today and decided he wanted the water lillies to be a little smaller, or a different shade, could he walk into a museum and chop it, or change the shade? Once the artwork is released, assuming that is the artwork that the artist wanted at the time, it's bullshit if he decides 20 years later to change it. Imagine Hitchcock trimming the scene with the shrink at the end of Psycho - yeah, it's way too long, but that's the way the movie was made, and that's how it should be presented, warts and all - if fans wanna chop it i fan edits, so be it.
They should at least offer an option to see both versions - or at the very least, offer those 7 minutes as a bonus feature. The fact that they aren't offering it – at least in USA – leads me to believe that perhaps Weir absolutely wants to destroy any memory of it, doesn't want it around at all for anyone to ever see.


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« #13701 : July 14, 2014, 06:01:26 AM »

If an artist wants to change his work, it is his right to do so. Claude Sautet reworked a greater part of his films. Made them shorter (some considerably) made them longer, just like he wanted them now.

As far as I know the new DC is a reconsideration by Weir, not a try to restore a version which he wasn't able to release in 1975.

My German DVD has all the old scenes as bonus, but in weak quality.

Here they are:

http://www.movie-censorship.com/report.php?ID=835082

Ideally a DVD or Blu should contain both versions, unless Weir wants the older one not to be seen any more.



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« #13702 : July 14, 2014, 07:00:31 AM »

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Also, Weir says that when he went to meet Joan Lindsey, the author, one question he was told not to ask her was whether the story was true. he asked anyway, and she said he should never ask again. So he never got an answer. Weir says that after the film was released, journalists did investigations into historical records, and could find no record of such an event. However, Weir says he believes that Lindsey did base the event some event that did happen and profoundly affect her. It was not exactly as in the book – and that's presumably why journalists found no record of it – but he believes that there was some sort of event where girls went missing on a school picnic that profoundly affected Lindsay.

I never read the book, but – assuming the movie closely follows the book – I assume it is a true story because it's kinda weird how one girl, Irma, is found, but no trace is ever found of the others. If it was pure fiction, you would assume that there would be a solution to the mystery; barring that, you would assume that either all would be found or none would be found. Having one girl found – alive, but with no memory of what happened?! – and the others disappear without a trace seems kinda too strange for fiction.

Also, Weir says that he thought viewers would be upset that there is no solution (as indeed many were) so that's why they came up with the idea of having that note in the beginning saying that there was a picnic and some of them disappeared without a trace, to let the viewer know right away, don't expect any solution. Personally, I wasn't expecting a solution – not only had I read the title card, but I think I had also read the plot synopsis on IMDB before seeing the movie – so this is the one instance where knowing what happens kinda helped. Cuz I think that if I had been expecting a solution but never gotten it, I would have also been disappointed. But knowing there would be no solution, tells you right away that this movie, though it may be called a Mystery, is not the sort of movie where the "What happens" matters.

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What I think (based on absolutely nothing) is that a traumatizing event happened. Nothing supernatural, just something regular but terrible, like a rape or something. The book would be a way for Lindsey to deal with her past in a metaphoric way.


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« #13703 : July 14, 2014, 10:08:13 AM »

@stanton
Yes, any artist has a right to reconsider his work, but then all options should be available to fans. His 2014 preference isn't any more authentic than his 1975 preference. I'd have no problem with it if they offered us all versions. But the fact that (so far as I understand it), there is no (official) way in USA to obtain those 7 minuutes, means he is trying to obliterate it and trying to make sure those 7 minutes are forgotten and unobtainable. That, IMHO, is wrong.
Maybe in the year 2034 he will decide that those 7 minutes should be there after all; (heck, maybe he'll even wanna add/delete eve more minutes!) Should he then release a new dvd/brd/streaming version - or whatever format is used in 2034 - with his new preference and make the previous versions unobtainable? No way. If the theatrical version of a movie represented his vision at the time, that version should always be made available to viewers, even if he later decides to also release other versions that he now prefers.
This reminds me of a discussion I had with DJ, over ribeye steaks and triple orders of french fries, RE: whether it is wise to build big dvd/brd libraries since new formats will inevitably be invented. He says yes, cuz when new formats come out, the gatekeepers may decide for you which version you'll get; don't expect to be able to get every version. So if a version you like comes out on disc now, grab it, cuz you never know if it'll ever be released again in that version. I'm agreeing with DJ more and more. (the only possible argument against it is that if/when the time comes that they are no longer selling a particualar version, i would most likely still be able to go buy used copies on eBay. E.g. For those who want the original American DVD of GBU with mono audio, there are dozens of used copies available on eBay for pennies.) But in principle, he's definitely right. New movies will be what the version the filmmaker/studio want you to see, not necessarily the version(s) you want to see. Build the culture bunkers! :)


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« #13704 : July 14, 2014, 11:53:18 AM »

someone posted on YouTube what he says was the original ending of Picnic at Hanging Rock https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hChZEMQXFg
Thanks, I don't think I've ever seen that before. It follows closely the ending of the book. I think Weir made a wise choice by choosing to end the film where he did. The way he shot it, the original ending requires the acknowledgment of some kind of supernatural agency at work (in the book, the re-appearance of Sara may only be in Mrs. Appleyard's mind). With the film as it was released, the viewer is able to decide for himself whether the supernatural was involved or not. I prefer maintaining that ambiguity.



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« #13705 : July 14, 2014, 12:21:10 PM »

What is the difference between this "original ending" and the one on Criterion BrD?


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« #13706 : July 14, 2014, 12:26:00 PM »

What I think (based on absolutely nothing) is that a traumatizing event happened. Nothing supernatural, just something regular but terrible, like a rape or something. The book would be a way for Lindsey to deal with her past in a metaphoric way.
Yeah, but it's also possible that the book isn't based on anything except the author's imagination. One day she saw Ford's painting and it triggered a train of thought. She then wrote a book based on those musings, cleverly forming the material to give the impression of verisimilitude. Then she completed the illusion by being coy about where the story came from. It's very easy for me to believe that the novel is a complete fabrication.



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« #13707 : July 14, 2014, 12:27:59 PM »

What is the difference between this "original ending" and the one on Criterion BrD?
Huh? Didn't you just watch the film?



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« #13708 : July 14, 2014, 01:23:55 PM »

Yes i did watch the film a few days ago, but I recall the ending seemed very similar to the one in that YouTube clip. As i recall, the man walks into Mrs. Appleyard's office, sees her dressed in mourning clothes; we see Sara dead; then we hear the narrator telling us that Mrs. Appleyard was found dead at the rock, and the search for the missing girls continued unsuccessfully. What's the big difference between that and the ending in that YouTube clip?

Btw, in the ending of the Criterion BRD, did Sara's guardian actually come to pick her up? Or did she run away?


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« #13709 : July 14, 2014, 01:49:33 PM »

Yes i did watch the film a few days ago, but I recall the ending seemed very similar to the one in that YouTube clip. As i recall, the man walks into Mrs. Appleyard's office, sees her dressed in mourning clothes; we see Sara dead; then we hear the narrator telling us that Mrs. Appleyard was found dead at the rock, and the search for the missing girls continued unsuccessfully. What's the big difference between that and the ending in that YouTube clip?

Btw, in the ending of the Criterion BRD, did Sara's guardian actually come to pick her up? Or did she run away?
Uhhhh . . .

Her guardian didn't pick her up. She died. It is strongly suggested SPOILER that Mrs. Appleyard killed her SPOILER END.

The big difference in the ending is that we see SPOILER Sara's ghost SPOILER END in the cut ending.

Dude, you need to pay attention more when you watch these things.



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