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« #19035 : May 01, 2020, 03:32:38 PM »

Il mercenario and Il grande Silenzio are not on the level of GBU and OUTW, but yes, better than any other Leone film.

The Great Silence and Once Upon A Time in the West are superior than the man with no name trilogy in my opinion.   Clints movies are fantastic.  I

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« #19036 : May 02, 2020, 02:37:19 AM »

I would add For A Few Dollars More and OUTIA

Yes to me The Great Silence is not very far away from FAFDM. Still inferior, but close. Which makes it immensely inferior to everything Leone did afterwards.


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« #19037 : May 02, 2020, 05:04:27 AM »

The only truth about Leone and Corbucci in da italo west:

1   C' era una volta il West
2   Il buono, il brutto, il cattivo
    (a bigger gap)
3   Il mercenario
4   Il grande silenzio
5   Il mio nome e Nessuno
6    Per un pugno di Dollari
7      Per qualche dollaro in piu
8      Vamos a matar, companeros
9    Django
    (another gap)
10    Gli specialisti
11    Navajo Joe
12    Minnesota Clay

and uhh ... the other Corbuccis, which are really, really quite forgettable:

I crudeli
Che c' entriamo noi con la rivoluzione?
La banda J. & S. cronaca criminale del Far West
Johnny Oro
Il bianco, il giallo, il nero

(the last one is at first a comedy, and a pretty unfunny one)



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« #19038 : May 02, 2020, 07:44:04 AM »

I'd go this way

1   C' era una volta il West
1   Il buono, il brutto, il cattivo
    (a small gap) 
2  Per qualche dollaro in piu
3  Il mercenario
4  Il grande silenzio
     (a bigger gap)
5   Per un pugno di Dollari
6  Vamos a matar, companeros
     (a gap)
7   Il mio nome e Nessuno
       (a bigger gap)
8    Django 
      (another big gap)
9    Navajo Joe
10   Minnesota Clay
11   Gli specialisti

If I include Sollima, Damiani, Petroni, Baldi, Fulci, Valerii and Castellari too I'd go this way

tied...
1    C' era una volta il West
1    Il buono, il brutto, il cattivo
      (a small gap)
tied
2    Per qualche dollaro in piu
2    Gi? la testa

3    Qui?n sabe?
4    La resa dei conti
5    Da uomo a uomo
6    Il grande silenzio
7    Per un pugno di Dollari
8    Keoma
9    Il mercenario
     (a small gap)
10  Faccia a faccia
11  Corri uomo corri
12  Vamos a matar, companeros
13  Tepepa
14  I quattro dell'Apocalisse
     (a gap)
15  Il mio nome e Nessuno
16  I giorni dell'ira
17  Blindman
18  I crudeli
     (a bigger gap)
19  Django 
     (another big gap)
20  Navajo Joe
21  Minnesota Clay
22  Gli specialisti

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« #19039 : May 02, 2020, 10:13:12 AM »

Tess (1980) - 10/10. Probably the best-lit color film of all time. And those costumes!  Shame about the music, though.
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« #19040 : May 02, 2020, 10:23:15 AM »

No no no no no you're all wrong.

1 - OUATITW
2 - GBU


Gigantic gap, because we're leaving the realm of divine cinematic perfection to enter the world of great filmmaking by talented mortals.

4 - My Name is Nobody
5 - FAFDM
6 - The Great Silence


Another huge gap, now we're entering the world of exciting filmmaking.

7 - Il Mercenario
8 - FoD
9 - Django


And another big, big gap: now we're entering the rest of the universe, where we all wander pointlessly, bathed in our own mediocrity. A part that isn't even worth mentioning.

As you may have noticed, #3 is missing, and that's because it's a league of its own: DYS, which is torn between its divine and mortal status.

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« #19041 : May 02, 2020, 07:02:13 PM »

and uhh ... the other Corbuccis, which are really, really quite forgettable:

Che c' entriamo noi con la rivoluzione?


I disagree. This one is great and has some really nice historical allusions in some of the characters.

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« #19042 : May 02, 2020, 07:24:45 PM »

IMO, All the Dollars films, plus OUATITW (as well as OUATIA) are better than The Great Silence, Th Big Gundown, The Mercenary, Death Rides a Horse. (I?m not the biggest fan of DYS, though some stuff is amazing. It?s not at level of other Leones. And to me MNIN is cute, not great.) of the few non-Leone spags I have seen, DJANGO is best. A direct ripoff of FOD, btw.


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« #19043 : May 04, 2020, 12:34:32 AM »


Another huge gap, now we're entering the world of exciting filmmaking.

7 - Il Mercenario
8 - FoD
9 - Django




FoD and Django are films with some amazing stuff in them, but also some serious flaws. Both could have become great masterpieces if shot a few years later by their directors.

The Mercenary is a virtuosic directed film which is some serious contribution to the political Spag sub-genre, and at the same time a parody of it. The multiple ending concept, in which the audience did not get the end when they expected to get the end (after TGS in which they did not get the expected end), was and is absolutely unique. The Mercenary goes on 2 times after a usual ending, and every new ending changes what was before. The last ending turns the film form an optimistic one to a pessimistic one.
In The Great Silence and The Mercenary Corbucci was at his peak, and he did some risky things which clearly went beyond the things Leone did in his westerns, and makes both to the only Spags which really could rival Leone.
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And another big, big gap: now we're entering the rest of the universe, where we all wander pointlessly, bathed in our own mediocrity. A part that isn't even worth mentioning.


You probably haven't watched much other Spags, but I learned in the last 20 years that there are much more good Spags than I thought in the 20 years before. There are several rather unknown Spags from comparatively unknown directors which also do unusual things or have a real good feeling for the genre.

Just watch the first scene, or better the first 11 min, of the over-the-top hippie western Matalo! (Cesare Canevari, 1970).

ttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsPPwIoMMPs

And did you ever watch the French SW contribution Une corde un colt (1969) by Robert Hossein? Hossein seems to be an extremely underrated director, and this is his only more widely distributed film on home video.

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« #19044 : May 04, 2020, 03:34:09 AM »

If you include some of the Euro Westerns I like (Hossein, Guillermin, Mart?n, Winner, Kulik, Martino) along with Sollima, Damiani, Petroni, Baldi, Fulci, Valerii and Castellari too I'd go this way

tied...
1    C' era una volta il West
1    Il buono, il brutto, il cattivo
      (a small gap)
tied
2    Per qualche dollaro in piu
2    Gi? la testa

3    Qui?n sabe?
4    La resa dei conti
5    Da uomo a uomo
6    Il grande silenzio
7    Per un pugno di Dollari
8    Keoma
9    Il mercenario
tied
10   Villa Rides
10   Une Cord un Colt
10   Faccia a faccia
11   Corri uomo corri
12   Vamos a matar, companeros
13   Tepepa
13   El Condor
13   Pancho Villa
13   Chato's Land
      (a gap)
14  I quattro dell'Apocalisse
     (a gap)
15  Il mio nome e Nessuno
16  I giorni dell'ira
17  Blindman
18  I crudeli
     (a bigger gap)
19  Django
19  Mannaja
     (another big gap)
20  Navajo Joe
21  Minnesota Clay
22  Gli specialisti


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« #19045 : May 04, 2020, 01:26:25 PM »

A+++
Once Upon a Time in the West (1968)
The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly (1966)

A+
For a Few Dollars More (1965)

A
The Great Silence (1968)
A Fistful of Dynamite (1971)
A Fistful of Dollars (1964)

A-
Face to Face (1967)

B+
Django (1966)
The Big Gundown (1966)
Death Rides a Horse (1967)
Run, Man, Run (1968)
The Mercenary (1968)
Day of Anger (1967)

B
A Bullet for the General (1966)
My Name Is Nobody (1973)
Companeros (1970)
Cemetery Without Crosses (1969)

B-
A Pistol for Ringo (1965)



Admittedly, my Hollywood western taste is much more varied and interesting. I've seen all the 30+ most popular spaghettis (and various others) but I'm open to any suggestions based on that list and my taste in general.

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« #19046 : May 04, 2020, 01:42:04 PM »

Have you seen Keoma or Tepepa?


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« #19047 : May 04, 2020, 02:01:01 PM »

If you include some of the Euro Westerns I like (Hossein, Guillermin, Mart?n, Winner, Kulik, Martino) along with Sollima, Damiani, Petroni, Baldi, Fulci, Valerii and Castellari too I'd go this way


10   Villa Rides
11   Une Cord un Colt

13   El Condor
13   Pancho Villa
13   Chato's Land



I do not include Euro-westerns if I make a Spagie list. But Une Cord un Colt is considered by most SWs fans as a SW. Actually probably by all if they do not include only films by Italian directors. It simply was made at the time and it has enough of the typical style.

A matter of definition of course, but for me all westerns from that time made by Italian or Spanish directors are Spags.
And films by US directors are US westerns, and it is not important if they were shot in Mexico, Spain, Canada or even Romania. There are a few exceptions though like Sledge or The Five Man Army, which are Spags for several reasons.

By other European produced westerns I check if their style is closer to a Spag or to a US Western. Red Sun is for me not a Spag, so that's an Euro western. El Condor is an US Western by a British director, and actually Chato's Land stands for me also closer to the US western than to other British produced westerns. Winner was at that time working mainly in or for Hollywood, and Chato's Land belongs clearly to the cycle of "Vietnam Westerns".
Actually apart from Chato's Land all Euro-Westerns are at best only ok, most are totally forgettable, at least I do not remember at the moment a single one which is worth to have on disc.

Well, in the end it's fun to think about this kind of definitions, but they are all westerns, and the really important question is are they entertaining or boring, are they good, bad or mediocre.

I'll give you tomorrow a list of about 50 Spags which are imo 7/10 or better. (with muchus Leonus)

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« #19048 : May 04, 2020, 02:37:13 PM »

Have you seen Keoma or Tepepa?
I've seen parts of Tepepa and have been meaning to (re) watch it, so hopefully I'll get around to it soon.

I'm not the biggest Keoma fan, I found it to be a little too self-serious.



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« #19049 : May 04, 2020, 07:38:48 PM »

Hossein seems to be an extremely underrated director

And that's an understatement. If only the word had recognized his talents as a director rather than an actor (not that I'm knocking his acting at all), the world would be a richer place.

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