the baxter mansion

[marmota-b]

Oh, I forgot... Our house is situated in originally medieval town, which means it has houses everywhere around - unlike Baxter's.

[CISCO]

Oh, I forgot... Our house is situated in originally medieval town, which means it has houses everywhere around - unlike Baxter's.

marmota b. cool sounding layout. would you care to divulge approximate age of your town ? just curious.
 

[marmota-b]

It's old, because there was a very used trade path and a ford on creek, where people had to stop for a while. More than that, it was about one day journey (in those times) from Prague, so people also had to stay here for night.
It was founded in the first half of 12th century.

But our house isn't so old.

I think the oldest building in our town is an old townhal (now there's library, video rental store and such things) - but it was rebuilt. As most of buildings in our town. We had a catholic gothic church, but it was rebuilt in baroque style etc.
There are also quite long underground corridors and halls. And remains of old rampart. Maybe those are the oldest.

I think this was a comprehensive answer.

[CISCO]

It's old, because there was a very used trade path and a ford on creek, where people had to stop for a while. More than that, it was about one day journey (in those times) from Prague, so people also had to stay here for night.
It was founded in the first half of 12th century.

But our house isn't so old.

I think the oldest building in our town is an old townhal (now there's library, video rental store and such things) - but it was rebuilt. As most of buildings in our town. We had a catholic gothic church, but it was rebuilt in baroque style etc.
There are also quite long underground corridors and halls. And remains of old rampart. Maybe those are the oldest.

I think this was a comprehensive answer.

i just like the way you described your house sounds. wonderful. long as it's got a back door, as you said it does. it just occured to me i do not have a back door at all.... . yea, thoroughly comprehensive 

[marmota-b]

To make it absolutelly clear: You come in to our property (small garden) through a door/gate and go through the garden to the end of our house (it's "long", facing the street with the narrower side), where's the main and only door of our house.

Oh, yes, I think many houses don't have back door.

[drinkanddestroy]

1. I really liked Silvanito.

2. RE: the burning of Baxter home, I actually have a different problem with that scene: first the Rojos use dynamite blow the fences or the stone walla or whatever surrounding the houses. But you don't see any Baxters coming out then, not even looking out the window. Then the carriages come by with the barrels of whiskey, they smash em and light em, and only then, once the house is on fire, do the Baxters start coming out. There is no doubt they heard the dynamite blast, so it makes no sense that none of them come outside to look at whats going on.

3. RE: Esteban being queer: come on, man. There are some people who like to read a queer character/subtext/text into every film; and I know that there were some queer directors/writers that used to stick these subtexts into films, but sometimes people go overboard in trying to read queer characters into every film. Why, cuz Esteban said "our men sleep here with us?" I remember reading a book by Robert Cumbow -- a terrible book, btw -- in which he says somethiing like this: one of the characteristics of TMWNN is an explicit rejection of homsexuality; not that the vilains really are queer, but that TMWNN is very strong in rejecting any notion of homosexuality. He cites as an example this scene with Joe leaving the Rojos despite Esteban's insistence that "our men stay here with us," and that in FAFDM, Manco snuck out from the hideaway when then men were sleeping.

Come on. All this shit was pre-sexual, if you ask me. In the special features of FAFDM, Frayling discusses the themes of male friendship in Leone's films (and explains how it relates to Leone's childhood, being an only child of older parents, and how important friendships were to him). And he discusses how this sort of  is "not gay," but that the gays later on came and stole this sort of "iconography." I believe Frayling argues this is all "pre-sexual."

TMWNN is, above all else, an individualist, who does what he wants and is not beholden to anyone. As soon as he doesn't think it is beneficial for him to stay with the Rojos, he splits. If you wanna be the kind of person who reads a queer subtext into every movie, go ahead. I once heard a critic say that in OUATIA, Noodles and Max were having an affair; he said this during the scene where Noodles pretends to moon Max while the latter is taking a picture of him; and during the scene where Noodles first visits Moe's speakeasy after getting out of prison, when Max tries to break up Noodles's reunion with Deborah, as if Max is calling him away out of jealousy. He read this not simply as a conflict in Noodles's lifge, where he had to choose between a life of crime or a life with Deborah; but he read it as (also) being a love triangle.

Some people love to think every movie was directed by Visconte.  . If that helps you deal with your personal anxieties, suit yourself.

[titoli]

come on, man. There are some people who like to read a queer character/subtext/text into every film;

I refuse to believe it.

[sargatanas]

I refuse to believe it.

me too   

[Stern]

TMWNN is, above all else, an individualist, who does what he wants and is not beholden to anyone.

It is my opinion too and there are different statements in the film for this. And not only to the Roccos. The film is about AFOD but taking over the biggest mentioned sum of 500 USD he informs the Baxers: Yeah, that's not gonna break my heart. But it is true, the relationship to the Roccos is more complicated: TMWNN frequently moves in and out, because Leone has sympathies for the Roccos. See the scene with the first talk between Joe and Ramón, where Ramón comes down the staircase in full white like from heaven. But, and this is the progress of the film, Ramón becomes more and more dark and Leone tries to withdraw his hidden sympathies from him, with no full success. Even the relationship to Silvanito is difficult, see the silly sentence to Silvanito: Don't worry. I didn't dirty the sheets. To me, TMWNN is an early picture from Leone of a world, he refuses, and the different players, he refuses for different reasons. In this sense TMWNN is queer.